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  1. CR94

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    A 1965 Mustang couldn't possibly have had a Pinto-based suspension, because Pintos didn't exist until a few years later. It did have a Falcon-based suspension, among other parts.
    My nephew had a slightly later Mazda 626 with an iffy Ford transmission. I don't know whether it was the same design as your Probe's. A local transmission shop advised adding a cooler, because they were prone to overheat.
     
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    I see some thread drift towards discussing things posters actually like. Please control that and respect this is our (unique in Priuschat?) place to be unhappy about things that are.

    @hkmb fits that with VB beer, although I dread to imagine when he drank a tall glass of actual yeast infection.
     
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    One definitely needs to vent after a few VBs.
     
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    That story could be straight out of the Alfred P. Sloan School of Quality & Cost Control.

    But wait! He was the president, chairman, and CEO of General Motors, building Chevies, not Fords. This disease afflicted all the U.S. automakers.

    I grew up in a Ford family, but that loyalty was more a reflection of relationships with the particular local dealers than of the overall brand's quality. Later, I found better results from makers steeped more in the J. Edwards Deming school of quality control than the Sloan school. Deming was an American, but his work in quality control was appreciated much earlier in Japan than in the U.S.
     
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    Behold a Delta kitchen faucet spray diverter.

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    it makes that annoying thunk when you use the side sprayer, diverting water to the sprayer when it's in use, and back to the spout, the rest of the time.

    Besides the thunk, which is annoying, it also prevents siphoning if you happen to leave the spray head dropped into a pot of yucky water, which is pleasing to code officials.

    About the only thing more annoying than the thunk is the absence of the thunk.

    I had not been using my side sprayer for a long time, because the old hose had gone stiff and unwieldy. Finally I happened to remember it while in a big box store and said "hey, they sell hoses here for cheap."

    So I at last replaced the side sprayer hose, which requires doing headstands in the back of the kitchen sink cabinet, and got maybe two glorious sprays out of my rejuvenated sprayer, before the thunk stopped happening, and so did the spray. :(

    Behold the same diverter with the rubber piece off the end. In my first two glorious sprays, the water flow sucked it right off.

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    Behold the faucet with the sucked-off rubber piece buried inside the passage to the spray hose.

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    At least it had only gone that far, and could be seen and grabbed back out with a pick.

    I notice that their updated version has an E clip on the end, I guess so that doesn't happen.

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    Much of the Toyota Production System is based on Mr. Deming's work
     
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    Maybe kinda similar to a bathtub shower diverter? Finally got in gear with our (40+ year old house, original plumbing), the diverter (didn't even know the name) had been "cantankerous" for decades, not sealing properly,. Our nearby hardware store still carried the replacement part, went in without problem, works great. Guess I can't vent about that... :unsure:

    But: how about zip lock packages of stuff, where the heat-sealed top comes within a mm of the zip lock, and by the time you finally trim enough off that it'll open, it's nigh impossible to find anything to get a grip on. You can pinch the bag below the zip lock, pull it open, as a workaround.

    Packaging in general: company excecs should be required to open their products, see how easy it is. If you've got two identical products, but on one the package is a royal pain...

    Tins of Brazillian Corned Beef is one that comes to mind, the kind you open with a key. For a while there I found you'd run the key all the way 'round, and it would end up at a thicker weld zone, wouldn't snap off, and you needed something like tin snips to break it free. They did remedy that some time back. Still has the age-old issue though: once it's opened, first time prying the content out of the tin can be nigh impossible. Chilling it in the fridge for a day helps some.
     
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    Aaargh, I've got a hand tendon injury headed for surgery. All forms of packaging have an elevated threat level while this paw is down. It's been an eye-opening experience.
     
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    It also (fresh out of a Delta package bought at the local Ferguson's) juuuuuust barely won't go in the faucet. :mad:

    There's an Amazon customer review of the updated diverter that says "Delta makes only one diverter, so if yours seems a little too large and won't fit all the way in, try sanding it the outer edge of the white plastic a wee bit."

    Turns out I have an old faucet in the junk pile with the same updated-style diverter in it, and that one will pop right in the kitchen faucet as nice as can be. And works. Yay.

    Is @tochatihu satisfied that I am in fact venting here?

    When I replaced that kitchen ceiling fixture 16-ish years ago, my prediction was that the market would be moving away from medium screw base sockets to different things, like fluorescent fixtures or GU24 bases, to make a clean break from things people could put incandescents into. So I went for that 40 watt 2C fluorescent fixture.

    16 years later, seems like I called it wrong. I don't see that GU24 bases ever really took off, my 40 watt 2C ballast and tube are still available somewhere online but not locally or for cheap, and there seems to be lots of great LED action in things that go right into medium screw bases and look like light bulbs.

    So I went back to a duplex medium screw base, and put some nice LED bulbs in it, and I'm now thinking that the next time those need replacement (if I'm still in any condition to notice by then), there might be something even nicer that still goes in a medium screw base.

    But I'm supposed to be venting, so:

    A great side effect I was noticing, early in the proliferation of lighting alternatives, was that packages were all starting to show those metrics most people had never heard of before, like lumens, color temperature, and color rendering index. It started to be that you could go down the aisle of lights and comparison shop on lumens and CCT and CRI.

    There seems to be some backsliding there. On this latest shopping trip, I noticed a bunch of LED bulbs that do advertise 90 or "90+" CRI, which is great. But I also noticed lots of others on the shelf with no claimed CRI at all.

    I can understand being a vendor and preferring not to say just how much your light sucks, but speaking as a customer, given there's a standard index like CRI, just put it on the box. I'll decide if it sucks for my purposes. Maybe your 82 CRI sucks more than the 90s on the top shelf, but less than the old basement fluorescent I'm replacing. Just do the right thing and put the number on the box so I can shop.

    But special mention has to go to the Sylvania TruWave, which says (and I quote): "Enhanced Color Experience Colors, whites, and skin tones look ideal due to high CRI and exceptional color contrast.***"

    and the *** says: "***Compared to a typical 90 CRI LED."

    Notice how they cleverly didn't even say "compared to other 90 CRI LEDs", because that might put the idea in your head that this one is also a 90 CRI LED. No, they say "compared to a typical 90 CRI LED", without leaking any hint anywhere on the box of a CRI number for this one. Unless I missed it. And I looked hard.

    Having been around enough to recognize stupid marketer tricks when I read them, like "we'd rather not tell you how bad we did on the standard index comparable to other products, but we've got our own favorite non-comparable metric that gives us an advantage", I sort of needed to vent about that.

    Only it turns out to be less bogus than I thought. They've published this:

    Natural Light with TruWave Technology™

    and it shows they are putting their attention on a newer test method for light source color rendition, TM-30, a standard first published in 2015 by IES (CRI comes from a standard developed by CIE).

    Tutorial: Background and Guidance for Using the ANSI/IES TM-30 Method for Evaluating Light Source Color Rendition

    Instead of one "CRI" number, a TM-30 evaluation of a light source has a bunch of outputs:

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    So according to the press release, the "SYLVANIA Natural Series™ products have a CRI of greater than 90 and an excellent Rf of 94 and near perfect Rg of 98, both at a CCT of 2700K." So not really so bogus after all.

    They even include the TM-30 Color Vector Graphic (CVG) for their thing and a typical competing thing, showing how much closer their thing comes to the ideal circle:

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    The sharp-eyed reader, of course, will notice that even though their own thing claims CRI > 90, the CVG they choose to show for a competing thing is of a "Typical 80CRI LED".

    Which just goes to show ya, even if what you're doing is really not all stupid marketer tricks, if you put marketers in charge of writing the press release, they will put stupid marketer tricks in it.
     
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    If the light bulb metrics are bothering you, don't look at monitors.
     
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    If I tried posting here without looking at a monitor, my posts would come out like Tombukt2's.
     
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    I understand we have AI bots that can write entire sites full of posts in seconds, but we can't get one to edit a slug of dictation to demarcate paragraphs and include punctuation?
     
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    It's not so bad now, but even 10 years ago, my Northern English accent was a disaster for such things. Voice recognition systems just could not get it at all. I don't have a strong accent (think maybe Brian Cox - the science one, not the Succession one), but it was enough. I spoke to some specialists at Nortel (when it was around), and Cisco and elsewhere, and they said they were fine with all sorts of accents but they just could not get their systems to understand Northern English.
     
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    "I am in fact venting here?" If it seems to you that you are, then you are. I am not minding the gate. I saw a grumpy discussion begin here. With happiness expressed elsewhere, I only hope that under-satisfied humans emote here, unrelated.

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    I bought 2001 NHW11 Prius in US among first <3000. Yay me. I talked here about this and that, but it tailed off and later discussions meant more. I am not it a knowing position to assert that Prius' early adopters changed things with PriusChat venting, but by golly, we did vent.

    Later Prius versions changed and grew to millions of units. Blew past me. Toyota chose staying on hybrid path vs. straight to full battery electric. Other manufacturers chose differently. Here we enjoy discussing these different paths. If one or any others inspire you to vent here, good. If some hand tendon problem inspires you, well, that as well.

    Electrical connections ought to be made a particular way, but they are often not. I 'ran' a house in Puerto Rico where wire insulation colors had no relationship to power side functions. We got some tingles, but nobody died. Bad but not all that bad.so venting could be an option not taken.

    Venters assemble! Here say your worst thing. If it is that Prius still are not the most beautiful cars, or if they still accelerate slowly -- give it! My guess is that most posting here have more interesting grievances.
     
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    He made his name in WW II when the powers that be realized manufacturing crap was hurting the war effort.

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    I decided to move this to the vent thread.

    Another power outage. A little breezy here today.

    There's a 40' dead tree trunk across the road, and it whacked the 3-phase distribution that runs past my house and pulled them down. Probably going to be a few hours before we get power back.

    I've got the house running on a generator now.

    You can see the fresh cuts on the tree trunk where the utility crew trimmed off dangerous limbs 3 weeks ago. Guys... you had one job.
     
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    The one gentleman venting about lighting standardization data made me think of my own vent.

    My vent is air filter rating standardization. When buying the latest filter for my furnace I wanted to look at the new filter I was considering efficiency rating. It was a Filtrete filter and they have decided in their infinite wisdom to create their own special filter efficiency rating.
    My phone is just an old-fashioned flip phone so I returned home to decode their top secret filter ratings on their website. If they had had another brand there I could choose from it would have cost them a sale.

    Filtrete™ MPR vs MERV

    Why can't these ratings be standardized?
     
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    I had exactly that same vent about 19 years ago. But I did end up going with the Filtrete after all, when it turned out they really did supply more technical data (once I went looking for it) than competing filters had, and in fact they included data for the filter pressure drop. The purple Filtretes are good filters with a nice low drop.

    I was putting a higher-efficiency furnace in an old house, where it would have to move more air through the old ducts, and I wanted to be careful about keeping the total system static pressure within spec. The Filtretes made that easy.

    So it turned out kind of a similar situation to the Sylvania TruWave. They really do have tech data to boast about, and the TM-30 lighting source test method they're using isn't some made-up thing, it's just a more recent and more comprehensive evaluation standard than the one CRI comes from.

    I guess what I was really venting about was the "silly consumers won't understand all that, so we'll just write malarkey instead" part.
     
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