Is the pip the only prius with lithium?

Pretty amazing... With the exception of tesla, seems toyota is always trying to be proactive thinking big concerning efficiency.

Sometimes I feel like other companies are gold diggers trying to get government subsidies doing only what they have to in order to qualify, usually doing copycat technology delivering half baked goods.

It takes deep pockets to be truley innovative and take chances.
But doing good homework with good engineers removes a lot of the chance.

Toyota isn't always the first rabbit out of the gate, but when they release something, it's usually a winner because of thorough study and patience.


Alan...
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Yep, pretty cool too.... Lots of 18650s.
At first in thought that was cheap and cheesy, until I saw
1. They manufacturer them to specs,
2. by bathing them in coolant, the small cells wrapped in metal gives excellent heat conduction to keep them warm or cooler based on ambient temperatures.
3. Being only 4" high they can be placed as a floorboard lowering the cars center of gravity without taking up space.

Maybe once upon a time "Ford had a better idea"... Not anymore.


I admire companies that are innovative and take chances based on sound engineering rather than safe copy cat technology and try to charge the same prices.

That's on the scale of the Chinese copying Dvd's and charging the same after Hollywood and it's actors did all the work, skill, & expense.

I'll try not and cause another stir by mentioning some manufacturers, people here are knowledgeable, you know who I'm talking about.

Alan...
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Humm... Maybe I'm a little tainted.
Toyota brought us the prius with brute engineering skill, hard work, and careful marketing.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I do feel some of the others did what they did solely because of the huge government incentives.

We should have gotten a lot more car for less money imo with some of the vendors you mentioned.

They threw together something to "fit the governmental bill'. To get the bucks... Half baked imo.... I expect more with so much help from the gov.

I know there are reports of how much money they lose with each car but if that's true its only because of there historic poor management.

They want something for nothing, and a lot for something, and an arm & a leg for something a little more than special and they wonder why the public isn't lining up to buy their products at the prices they're asking.

I'm offended they get paid by the government and then put themselves in the same class as toyota by not passing the 7500.00 customer incentive to the customer but instead just tacking it to the price.

If the gov would have given 15k incentive. I guarantee you the price would be another 7500.00 bucks higher yet as they try to suck it up too!

Remember all the money the government gave the banks to lend to the people... Yea, they kept that too giving nothing to the taxpayers to whom the incentives came from.

I hope they go bankrupt so the companies doing an honest business will prevail.

It's not fair to toyota to have competition funded by the government.... Let them earn their own way.

The incentives are supposed to be to encourage citizens to risk the new technology by giving them a price break so alternative vehicles can flourish.
Instead they eat the cash.

The government funds loosers, instead they should be giving money to the companies that have proven themselves worthy.

Of course the government doesn't know about the good book....
Luke 16:10 KJV
He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.


Alan...
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I'm not vilifying anyone based on their eco consciousness.... It's more from a business standpoint.

We the people indeed are trying to "give grant monies" to the best student.

One squanders the money and makes poor grades and the other does a lot with little and against the odds work studiously to make a fine product.

Who should we have faith in to grant our hard earned bucks to make the desired product?

If I'm seeking out the best contractor with the best track record, I would pick toyota instead of throwing monies down ratholes to our cronies that help vote us back on office.

I think the volt is a pretty cool foot forward, but at what price and on who's dime for what we got?

They are making money on both ends of the stick at our expense.
Before production on grants, and after with sale's. Imo, no incentive passed to the consumer/Tax payer.

Anyway, just my opinion..... I'll get off the soap box.

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That's what life does, that takes away incentive to keep making bad decisions.

I don't see them as a victim for making bad decisions.... It's a lifestyle that's been rewarded.

There's always hey thin line to determine whether helping someone versus enablement to continue making bad decisions.

Just two differing philosophies of thought.

One assumes they are trying their best to do a good job and just needs a helping hand to get by.

The other assumes they are doing only what they have to do to get by and are otherwise lazy and greedy trying to siphon as much profit as possible and so choke the golden goose rather than reinvest into the company.

Past behavior tends to be the best predictor.
We are not their mother.

But back to lithium before this becomes a democrat/Republican discussion.

Alan...
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