Is it the driver's seat or my butt?

I see two or three people with mild discomfort in this thread, the op stated they had just lost 30 pounds and were uncomfortable, another thought they were the worst on the planet, when asked about physical attributes, no answer, you on the other hand are trolling the thread, but as it's a public forum, you're entitled, as am I to point out the troll

 

$500 or $1000 retail is my guess taking scale into account.

 

Well the only quote of mine that you haven't stolen and twisted to fit your OPINION...is this one:

" So complain away if you wish, but just realize your personal relationship with the seat ergonomics of The Prius is a PERSONAL relationship."

And that's kind of my "Bottom" Line on the issue. I'm not saying a "unknown" percentage of people don't dislike the Prius seats to a varying degree. I'm just saying....realize that your PERSONAL relationship with the seat, is your own.

And constant complaining about what IS...with the inflexible attitude that nothing but a redesign of the entire seat would solve the problem, doesn't help anyone. Toyota may pay attention to complaints and they may indeed improve or change the design in the future, but they aren't going to recall Prius to replace seats, that evidently ARE good enough to keep Prius one of Toyota's top sellers.

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More like meaningless generality vs. the specific issue of threads like this where many owners complain about the poor seat design of the Prius. The complaints about the Prius seats pop up with regularity indicating Prius has a problem it should address. For those considering buying a Prius who happen to log on to Priuschat, they get a warning that they will probably need to spend $3-6K to upgrade to get the power seats, the only known solution to the problem. That may be a big enough price differential that the purchase another car.

 

Seats feel fine to me, maybe one just has to adjust them with the little knobs that were designed into each seat.

 

Brilliant! Why didn't anyone think of that?

 

Did you participate in the poll ? -- you are welcome, you know.

If your vote is not counted yet, you can increase the severe complaints up to TWO.

 

Wow! Did Toyota hire Gallup to do a scientific poll....or do you mean one of those meaningless internet survey's you see in forums? You have to wonder why anyone puts them up but they are fun and profitable for the forums.

And now back to the recurring problem with the Prius seats, a problem that puts the Prius at a $3-$6K disadvantage, the cost differential to go from a Prius II or Prius III to a Prius IV to get the power seats which help fix the problem.

 

Call me crazy, but I am not surprised that you are oblivious to facts.

Carry on. I'm done here.

 

The only facts we have are that many complain about the poorly designed Prius seats, that messages with that topic are frequently posted.

Why Online Polls Are Bunk - Slate Magazine

 

So you understand that a poll on PC is not random, but you fail to grasp that threads on PC are not either ? How often do you think people are going to post a thread about a part of the car that they think is OK ? The underlying problem with a non-random sample in this context is selection bias, meaning one group is more motivated and likely to vote/participate than another. In the case of a seat comfort poll on PC, I suspect that if bias in participation exists it favors voting by the uncomfortable.

No one disputes that threads have been posted by people looking for seat comfort. You cannot however from that fact conclude that anything but a small minority of owners are highly dissatisfied. Saying that 'many' complain without considering the population size does not have any useful meaning. 1% of 1,000,000 might look like 'many' to you, but it is a tiny fraction of Prius owners. PC is closer to 1% of 1% of total owners posting seat discomfort threads, yet I think has about 50k registered owners.

Do the math

 

Polls can be random or not. Many varieties. The polls posted on websites are, for factual purposes, "bunk" as the included reference explains. Many references provide similar explanation. Those who create them to bolster their opinions ignore the facts which is usually why they resort to the online polls in the first place.

Why Online Polls Are Bunk - Slate Magazine

Hopefully Prius will address the problem with poorly designed seats in the 2015 model. Going with Toyota's fix for the problem, power seats, does raise the price of the Prius by $3-$5K which is significant.

 

After reading this thread I'd say as far as anyone experiencing discomfort in the Prius...it's probably the seats.

However as far as the majority of debate in this thread....it's a lot of Butts.....

 

Depends on the value you put on bunk. They are fun and a good for increasing website traffic so the online polls have an entertainment and commercial value but no informational value. As the Slate analysis above notes, they are used often when promoting a political agenda since they invariably "support" the view of the "pollster" no matter the facts.

I suspect the design problem of the Prius seats is due to the design constraints of the Prius regarding aerodynamics and driver viewing. Toyota probably pushes the envelope in driver positioning causing ergonomic problems for a number of drivers.

How will Toyota address the problem in the 2015 model change. For the percentage of Prius drives who have problems with the manual seat, it will be impossible to trust the manual seat in the 2015 so they will only be looking at the models that include a power seat.

 

The 504's were pretty good too. Particularly the back seats

 

Er, uh, I also liked the back seat of my 1960 Chevy, but for all the wrong reasons!
Bench front seat on that car was ""cinder block" as one gentleman put it, but rumor has it that the lack of individual seats allowed some nameless youths to switch drivers whilst the car was in motion. Rest stops to change drivers not as necessary for younger folk and for some reason we were always in a hurry.