Is Gen4 an Aztec of 2010s?

I'm pretty sure the Sonata is a sedan and the Prius a hatchback. There are folks who don't care for a hatchback which I suspect will be the case with the Gen 4. However, the classic problem of hatchbacks, sound and handling, may be addressed with improved sound proofing, suspension, and stiffer body.

I'm using www.fueleconomy.gov.

Bob Wilson

 

you mean like a camry?

 

Actually, the Pontiac Aztek was spelled ending in k

Pontiac Aztek - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

I'm not sure which version of the internet you have installed, but Aztek is spelled with K, not a C. You might want to check some of your other posts for spelling errors also, before calling out others... I'm not sure why you continue to troll these forums or why you are even allowed to. It's obvious from the responses to your posts, you are adding little, if anything to the conversation here.

 

Someone should be banned cus he disagreed with you AND misspelled something? C'mon.

 

Considering this is his thread you mean? The fact that you disagree doesn't forbid you from participating. And just a heads up, nobody likes spelling Nazis on 4umz.

 

Nazis? did someone say Nazis?

Our first play of our season was The Producers, by Mel Brooks.

Greenwood Little Theatre - A Community Theatre in Greenwood, Mississippi

Five years ago, when we did Sound Of Music, I bought props on eBay, and had issues getting off the mailing lists of Nazi enthusiasts.

(I had to dye my beard black, as I looked too much like Captain Crunch and not sinister enough with a white beard)

Now I needed to get props for Springtime for Hitler. <sigh> Once again I run up against a shortage of commercial Third Reich props from uninterested sellers.

When I first envisioned what I needed I thought I wanted 16 foot banners, as 'fixed' props, but my director decided he wanted his actors to precess in with the flags so 4 by 8 seemed a more sensible size. They wound up 4 by 9 and they came down from the loft.



Sewing a swastika is much easier if you assume it is a black square then add the small white stripe from each side. (for some reason it is very hard to find swastika makers for advice on this)



Now you hook it to a pole you fly from the loft. The fringe hides weights.



Here is the Springtime for Hitler production number, you can see the banners add a lot to the set. (my wife is in purple on the right)


(had the director allowed me 16 foot banners they would have been fine. Anyone need stage props for Sound of Music or The Producers?)

 

That's a nutty analogy.

There's *still* nothing to compete with a Prius except another Prius! Show me another liftback that's just as large and has the same or lower total cost of ownership. The Volt has about half the range and a far smaller rear seat. The Tesla has a third the range, takes forever to refill, can only be refilled in a few places, and costs as much as a small house. The Hyundai isn't out yet. The Insight gets worse mileage and has less interior room by a lot. The Camry isn't a liftback. The Rav4 is way taller, will get *maybe* around mid 30s for MPG, has much higher step height, and will be much more reminiscent of driving a truck than a car.

Your objections are based almost entirely on exterior looks, something which is subjective and for which the Prius has never been known anyway.

From most current information, the underlying technology is dramatically improved over the already best-there-is. Better thermal efficiency, better drive train efficiency, better handling, more responsive, quieter. The numbers on the internals are more head room, more comfortable seats and driving position, more total cargo volume, more cargo area width. And there's E-Four if they ever pull their heads out and make it available to people who might actually want it.

To me, there just isn't anything out there than do what a Prius can do - carry 4 people very comfortably, get 50+MPG doing it, fold down to became capable of hauling very large objects or huge numbers of smaller objects, and do all of it at a modest cost with exceptional reliability and ridiculously low total cost of ownership.

 

I don't know what an STB is and you didn't include the labor costs so I can't do the math.

Large and very relevant MPG gain (any drop of oil we don't buy from people who hate us or that doesn't get put in the atmosphere matters), greatly improved overall looks (which is irrelevant anyway), and there was nothing wrong with handling on the G2 or G3 in the first place. And you forgot about quieter, more responsive and more comfortable. The problem with the G2 and G3 suspension was ride harshness, especially over cross-road divots or cracks.

I'll grant you that all of this is unverified as of yet, but that's the way with anything you haven't gotten to see for yourself.

The main reason I'm interested in a G3 is because of the loss of storage in the G4. The main reason I'm interested in a G4 is the improved ride and quietness. I'll see those for myself. In the mean time, I'm keeping my G2 and not really even looking at other manufacturer's vehicles or other vehicle options from Toyota.

 

if mpg are irrelevant, why would anyone buy a prius?

 

I think we are just measuring now. You either like it or you don't..that's it. Rational to buy any car is subjective. I still want a GTR...and some think it's ugly too.