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  1. eagle33199

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    1)Yes, this is censorship....we all have censorship. Dr. B, are you ok, in your job, to call your co-worker's whores without consequences? I'm not. Am I being censored...sure. Are the rights of my co-workers being protected by such rules as this...absolutely. Is it within the rights of the private industry to have such rules...absolutely.

    2)This is not a constitutional amendment being thrown under the bus. Private industry has the right to determine what is inappropriate and what is appropriate within that specific job/industry. Just like I can't call my co-worker a whore without consequence. Yes, I'm fully within my constitutional rights of free speach to do so, but the individual corporation can choose to punish me to protect the rights of my co-workers, patients, etc. from my attacks.

    Likewise Imus is completely free to go on calling the Rutgers girls/women/ladies nappy, headed hos...he would not be violating any constitutional amendments in doing so. But you can also expect that private industry would be under no obligation to support him or those comments.

    Again...just to be clear...I don't feel the way this went down was right. I don't care whether Imus was fired or not...I don't listen to him, don't respect him personally, and whether he has a job with CBS or anyone else is of no consequence to me what so ever. But the pressure put on by Jackson, et al was not good. It made the Rutgers girls victims. It seems to me they took back their proper roll last night after meeting with Imus, but I don't believe this was handled properly by most people involved....other than the Rutgers girls.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Apr 13 2007, 10:34 AM) [snapback]422647[/snapback]</div>
    I agree with you almost entirely DOC. I have never really listened to the man's programs, but what happened to him is wrong. It frightens me that someone like Don Imus can be taken down by a relative handful of people for saying the wrong thing. Who's next and what will the offense be?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Apr 13 2007, 10:22 AM) [snapback]422625[/snapback]</div>
    He has said plenty of stuff in the past like "cleaning lady" in the past - by no means is this an isolated incident.

    Imus' initial reaction to the furor was "get over it", THEN he said he was sorry (that he was called on it?)

    Not all that long ago, there were "seven dirty words" that were not allowed (George Carlin famously did a skit on in the 70's).

    If I'm in a group of people that clam up if I mention certain things, I adjust - not get on a soapbox and cry CENSORSHIP, REPRESSION, etc....

    Society has become angrier and less civil - that's why the Imus remarks are an issue....the rappers should be part of it too.

    P.S. I wish Revs. Jackons and Sharpton had stayed out of this.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Delta Flyer @ Apr 13 2007, 10:44 AM) [snapback]422665[/snapback]</div>
    Do you think the Imus "scandal" will make society less angry or more angry? Will it bring people together or not?

    As for the rappers, if it wasn't for the evolution and popularity of hip-hop over the last few years would a guy like Imus even know a phrase like "knappy-headed 'ho'"? I am not taking responsibilty away from him, in the context he used it, it was tasteless, but this was a witch-hunt and the hunters have at least temporarily shut down the witch.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Apr 13 2007, 11:34 AM) [snapback]422647[/snapback]</div>
    his sponsors only started pulling their support from him after jackson and sharpton did not get paid off. that is a form of censorship. if they had written a check to operation push or get shoved or to sharptons tax emempt bank account they would have been fine.

    and as far as the rutgers girls - at this point i will disagree with you. they suffered no were near the harm mr imus has - their silence is deafening. me personally, if i was in their position, i would not want him fired. i would accept his apologies, i would look at all the good he has done, i would want another chance myself if i were in the same position, i would understand he even has called his wife a ho multiple times, i would understand a lot more than they are.

    where are all the people who imus stood up for like mr ford from tennessee who imus backed and got death threats for doing so. where are the politicians who went on his show multiple times to hawk their books or thoughts?

    DISGUSTING - chilling

    i hope imus sues cbs big time - since they fired him, he is due the remainder of his contract - i hope he hits back as the reverends jackson and sharpton (i wonder what Bible they believe in besides their bank accounts).

    again, totally chilling.

    who next?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(malorn @ Apr 13 2007, 10:38 AM) [snapback]422656[/snapback]</div>
    While it doesn't "frighten me" what happened there is definately some inequity in the way situations like this are handled. I'm not sure what the solution is.

    Should Jay Leno be fired when he calls Camilla Parker Bowles "horse face"? Surely that's insulting. What about when he makes fun of Bush's intelligence?

    So much of this is about context. When a black comedian uses words like Ho & Bitch & Nigger as part of his/her act it's OK. But when Kramer (sorry can't recall his real name) uses similar words directed at audience members he gets spanked. Comedian's attack and insult hecklers routinely as part of their acts and as a means of keeping their shows from being disrupted, but this episode w/ Kramer just used a couple of trigger words and were more vehemently expressed than the usual....oh, and it was caught on video and made accessible to the press.

    Here's what I think.... I think people need to realize that what we say and do has an impact...we might get away with marginal things 100 times, but somewhere along the way one might word things in the wrong forum, the wrong words, to the wrong people while under the ever watching eye of the public with the ever present video.

    I think the ultimate outcome will be that people will begin to be more careful in expressing what they have to say. I think they can communicate the same information in a less demeaning/insulting manner. I don't think people should have the right to be hateful on the public airwaves or other public venues without the expectation of negative consequences from those responsible for their positions.


    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Apr 13 2007, 10:49 AM) [snapback]422670[/snapback]</div>
    Ann Coulter would be a good start! :lol:
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Apr 13 2007, 10:49 AM) [snapback]422670[/snapback]</div>
    With the success Sharpton and Jackson have enjoyed at the expense of Mr Imus it will not be long. I would guess they are both to purchase more homes, cars, etc in the near future. The next target will gladly pony up big dough to avoid the fate of Imus. If you ever have any doubt about the real motives of Jackson etal just read: http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/P/0895....01._SCLZZZZZZZ. I believe Jackson was very sincere in the beginning, but now the power and money have corrupted as they almost always do. Sharpton was always a fraud in my book! ;)
     
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    It's pretty sickening that you think Imus suffered more harm than those girls. This was just the "straw that broke the camel's back", so to speak. If he didn't have a long history of making such comments, then he would have been slapped on the wrist and back on the air two weeks later. This was a situation of his own doing - He created it by spewing his filth on the airwaves. The girls at Rutgers were completely innocent, and didn't deserve to have that said about them, or have this whole thing blown up into such a huge media circus.

    IMO, one suffers more from what other people pile on them unfairly than from what they bring on themselves.
     
    #169 eagle33199, Apr 13, 2007
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    Oh come on... The girls "Suffered" because some moron said some ridiculous things? You liberals never fail at amazing me.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(eagle33199 @ Apr 13 2007, 08:58 AM) [snapback]422676[/snapback]</div>
    I disagree. No matter how much a person brought it on himself or herself, no matter how richly deserved, harm is harm. Whether Imus deserved it or not, this ended his career and totally changed his life from here on out.
     
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    Psychological suffering has long been accepted and proven. Have you never been called a name by a bully at school? How did it make you feel? And wasn't that bully just another moron?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(eagle33199 @ Apr 13 2007, 09:02 AM) [snapback]422680[/snapback]</div>
    Sure, that can hurt. But being called a name is not the same as losing your long-time job. The young women will go back to their lives, and their lives will go on as before. Imus will never go back to his life the way it was.

    Again, this doesn't go to whether he deserved it or not -- simply pointing out that on the narrow question of who was hurt more in this incident, Imus or the young women, it was Imus.
     
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    Just wanted to point out this Gem - O'Reilly (who i generally don't like or agree with on many things) lays things out pretty nicely.

    Yes, Imus lost his job. Do you think he's going to be hurting for money? What about all those other people who make sexist or racist comments at work? When they get fired, do you think it's right or wrong? do you think they suffer the greater injury by being fired, or does their target suffer more by being made to feel unwanted and put down in their work place? Now translate that to a major media personality that attacked a relatively unknown college basketball team to millions of listeners.

    *edit*
    i forgot the link. oops!
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,265873,00.html
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sunnyvale Prius @ Apr 13 2007, 11:06 AM) [snapback]422685[/snapback]</div>
    While Imus may not go back to his job and may lose out on the next $40million of his $50millon I seriously doubt there'll be any "suffering" at least in a financial sense. He's near retirement age anyway and has more money than almost anyone else that age would have available for retirement. I'm sure he's not happy about the way things went down, but his "suffering" is pretty dang minimal too other than the social and public ostracization he'll suffer from.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(eagle33199 @ Apr 13 2007, 09:15 AM) [snapback]422696[/snapback]</div>
    Yes, Imus will still be very well off financially. He'll still be famous. But that doesn't mean he didn't loose something very significant in his life.

    As to the analogy with inappropriate remarks to coworkers, I don't buy it. He was an entertainer making remarks to an audience. The same standards don't apply because the audience is explicitly tuning in to be spoken to this way. If the audience doesn't like it, the appropriate remedy is to immediately turn off the radio and not tune in again.

    Let me say again that I think it entirely appropriate for the audience to put Imus out of work by not tuning in any more. But if the audience still wants to hear what he has to say, I have a problem with someone other than Imus or the audience saying the audience can't listen to him any more. No matter how deplorable I find his conduct, it's not my place to make that judgment. That's really the only time protecting the right to free speech really matters -- when we think it is harmful and deplorable. Protecting the right to speech we think is fine is nothing.

    When the ACLU sent lawyers to protect the right of the KKK to march, it wasn't because there was anything at all good about the KKK in the minds of anyone at the ACLU. This case is different because it doesn't involve government censorship, but it does involve political censorship through pressure on private corporations. I don't like that kind either.
     
    #176 SunnyvalePrius, Apr 13, 2007
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(malorn @ Apr 13 2007, 10:55 AM) [snapback]422674[/snapback]</div>

    Where the heck do you and Berman get this nonsense about Jackson and Sharpton making money for new homes off this? That's just whacked.

    Imus was earning $10 million a year.

    So, I'm sorry, but he was doing a lot better in the "money-per-word-of-bile" department than anyone else in this game.
    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_spo...n_deck-2-2.html
     
    #177 MegansPrius, Apr 13, 2007
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sunnyvale Prius @ Apr 13 2007, 12:06 PM) [snapback]422685[/snapback]</div>
    Take this and apply it to the Duke boys - their lives will NEVER be the same - even though they were/are innocent. What should happen to sharpton and jackson who race baited down there and furthered their suffering????? How about what should happen to the NY Times and other media outlets that assumed their guilt and printed or published articles to this effect? What should happent to their accuser? What should happent to the 88 Duke porfessors (i use this time lightly here) who signed that letter? What should happen to Nifong?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MegansPrius @ Apr 13 2007, 11:34 AM) [snapback]422710[/snapback]</div>
    For years Jackson has threatened to protest people and then backed off after a healthy check was received at his ventures. It has been documented.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(malorn @ Apr 13 2007, 11:38 AM) [snapback]422715[/snapback]</div>
    Any links or sources on that?
     
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