Featured Hyundai IONIQ - Prius competitor?

Oil is fine with mine 0w-20 Amsoil brand. Never had major issues with mine. Mechanic hasn't seen it. I do all my work on it if need be. Hyundai does have a nice look on the inside but can't count for reliability and cheaply made just like Kia. Maybe another 20 years but. The longevity and reliability like Honda and Toyota have, they have a long way to go. Also depreciation isn't good with Hyundai or Kia. Cheap throw away cars


the bat cave

 

Oil consumption is fairly common in almost every reciprocating engine. Some use more than others.
I currently also drive a '93 Toyota Carina E 1.6 with a quart per 1500miles, and the cat pot is still original 287,000 miles and emitting CO at legal levels during inspections.
Ou 2010 Prius uses a bit of oil @90k miles, but I still haven't added between services, meaning less than a quart per 10,000miles.

 

The charger is available on upper trims in the US. I prefer the matte black console on my lower Trim Two, The only "white china" is around the shifter & on the steering wheel.

 

Well Gee, I guess someone has an opinion, eh? First of all, there are plenty of us that do have oil consumption issues ( search around a bit ). Just because "your mechanic" has never seen it doesn't mean it's not a problem. And yes, since Toyota states it in the user manual, they are admitting to possible engineering problems. There have been consumption issues with other Toyota models as well. On top of that, they won't own up to it. Typical Toyota BS.

Secondly, Kia/Hyundai really do have their act together. Millions of owners would heartily disagree with you on the perceived reliability issue you have with them. Obviously you have had a problem with the brand in the past and won't let it go? Who knows...

At any rate, this is a Hyundai/Kia thread..so please don't berate those of us that have them..ok?

Thanks

 

In the latest Consumer Reports survey, 8 brands are in the "more reliable" category, including Lexus, Toyota, Hyundai and Kia. Honda, Acura and Subaru are a notch below in the "reliable" category. Lexus and Toyota are 1 & 2, Kia and Hyundai 5 & 7 but the differences are minor. Many on Priuschat don't like CR reviews but their consumer surveys are pretty objective. Bottom line, many satisfied Toyota/Lexus and Hyundai/Kia owners.

Hyundai is clearly building good vehicles. My only concern about the Hyundai hybrids is that they have not been road tested for as many years as the Prius.

 

In my case, it came from a statistical analysis of how CR created their vehicle 'score'. But it wasn't helped when CR wrote an article criticizing the well documented, EPA tests, yet back then they were all hush-hush about their own. Thanks to one member, we were able to reverse engineer the CR testing protocol. I noticed CR has had some staff changes and that might have helped.

Bob Wilson

 

@RCO what do you think about "Which"? I subscribed about a year and a half ago and though very UK centric, it appears to be a fair publication.

Bob Wilson

 

I regularly read reliability dependability etc. reviews and have never seen a single Hyundai or Kia in the top list. If you disregard luxury brands, it's always Toyota and often Honda and Subaru in the Top 10.

 

Looking at the messages above, I am guess

I am almost sure I read about Volt being a "series hybrid", i.e. the ICE never talks directly to the wheels? But, what do I know ...

 

Gen 1 Volt was a serial hybrid plus a clutch to engage the ICE to the wheels at one fixed ratio. If that fixed ratio wasn't appropriate, it'd disengage and be a serial hybrid.

Gen 2 Volt is a 2-mode power split hybrid.

 

You must have missed my post #1244 above and the links to some places with good ratings for Hyundai and Kia: here, here and here.

 

Hi Bob, yes ''Which" has has unquestionable reputation for honest, in-depth analysis of products, but as you say - it is entirely UK focused. It should be noted that it's independence is possible because it relies on sale of reports and subscriptions to its monthly magazine for funding. No interference from government or commerce can influence their opinions.

Lin

 

In theory it sounds like a UK version of Consumer Reports.

 

I have some more data for the Ioniq EV. This time I preheated the car from the wall, so that the car was unfrozen and nicely warm when I left, and I did not use heating anymore during the driving. Temperatures were just below the freezing point.
Two cases:

• -1 °C speed from 50 to 70 km/h, average around 60 km/h (37 mi/h),

efficiency 11.4 kWh/100km, implied range around 240 km (150 mile)​

• -2 °C speed from 50 to 70 km/h, average around 65 km/h (41 mi/h),

efficiency 12.0 kWh/100km, implied range around 230 km (144 mile)​

These range numbers are in between the numbers of the European NEDC test (280 km/175 mile) and the US EPA test (200 km/124 mile), while in this case there are winter circumstances, but probably with a bit lower average speed than in these tests. And the 4 years Prius Plug In experience probably has improved my efficiency in driving quite a bit.

P.S. The last two years with the PiP for the EV km's I had 13.6 kWh/100km.

 

What happened is we were seeing a lot of FUD about the Prius and all the diesel news. Then I saw a fair write-up in "Which" that when compared to the 'weak tea' from Consumer Reports, I realized even with their UK-centric view I was at last reading honest reviews.

One caution, "Which" is expensive. My monthly issues cost nearly as much as the annual Consumer Reports subscription. But paying for a poor product is a waste of time and money.

Bob Wilson

 

Source: Fueleconomy.gov Top Ten

Using "All", the list is:

1. Hyundai Ioniq Electric (which is not on sale in the USA until maybe April?)
2. BMW i3 BEV (60 Ahr)
3. Chevy Bolt
4. BMW i3 BEV (94 Ahr)
5. Fiat 500e, i-MiEV, Leaf
   
6. Focus Electric
   
7. Kia Soul Electric
8. Tesla Model S - 60D

Exclude "EV":

1. BMW i3-REx (*)
   
2. Toyota Prius Prime
   
3. Chevy Volt
4. Kia Optima Plug-in
5. Hyundai Ioniq Blue (which is not on sale in the USA until maybe April?), Hyundai Sonata Plug-in
6. Fusion Energi
7. Prius Eco
8. Hyundai Ioniq (which is not on sale in the USA until maybe April?)
9. C-MAX Energi Plug-In

I really have a hard time with listing cars that are not on sale in the USA. It is like the old 'BETA-ware' wars of the 1980s when software vendors were releasing limited and buggy versions of software to suppress the sales of their competition. I would complain to the Federal Trade Commission except there may be no one home.

Bob Wilson

 

From another thread but applies here:

Korea and Japan are pretty close.

• Does Hyundai sell the Ioniq in Japan?
  
• Does Toyota sell the Prius in Korea?

Bob Wilson

 

Yes, Prius is sold in Korea...
PRIUS - TOYOTA

In Japan, Ioniq seems not yet,
Hyundai Corporation Web Catalogue | Sedan

 

Don't know the NEDC from memory, but the EPA city and highway might have a peak speed of 50mph to 60mph, but both have an average speed around 25mph.

Fueleconomy.gov is the EPA. If the manufacturer didn't do all the testing and submit the data to them, the car simply wouldn't appear on the site in any list. Not a guarantee that a car will go on sale, see the iQ EV, but the company has the intention and done the work up to that point.

 

EPA city and highway are now five different cycles that are fused together to figure out a range.