Featured Hyundai IONIQ - Prius competitor?

Its a bit like back in the school days... you see a boy or girl with a strange hairstyle and an even weirder dress sense. Then it turns out that that strange person is indeed a straight-A student and somehow everything else strange about him or her suddenly seem not so much of an issue. In fact some will secretly dream of being similarly strange. However, if it so happens that the weird looking student is just plain weird and nothing more, no one will be interested.

Not suggesting that the Prius is no longer special, far from it but the competition is way more stronger than it used to be and simply looking different is just not going to cut it.

 

agreed. that's why they made so many improvements to the gen4.

 

For the benefit of tailgaters?

 

NEDC for PHEV consider a very simple calculation after doing two complete cycles...one fully charged, other fully discharged.

 

Crazy video I have never seen before on youtube !
You probably can't watch it probably If you have no tablet !
Depending on the way you hold your tablet you get a 360° View of the Ionic's inside .
Prius has way better rear visibility !
Have fun !
Sorry you will have to watch in youtube directly,the effect doesn't show here !

 

putting the phone in front of the shifter is awkward. what's happening in the windscreen?

 

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Very interesting that it claims the drag is the same as the gen 4, and flexes as the speed increases. I think with all the information available so far, this looks like a real deal.

The fact that they bring all three models to Australia will definitely be interesting. Toyota Australia didn't bring the PIP here because they think it will not sell well.

More competition is a good thing!

SM-G900I ?

 

World's best hybrid fuel economy ?
Well then it's about time to lay the cards on the table Hyundai !
Let people test drive it !
It will probably beat gen 3. because they were test driving it along the Ioniq but gen. 4 ?
I have my doubts !

 

There actually is supposed to be a NEDC mpg number that includes rechargeable battery miles and one that is gas-only. Of course, the car companies never mention the gas-only number in their product introduction press releases and the auto media pretends like that's the only number that exists and never let on the gas-only number is being deliberately withheld.

As an example of the numbers, the 2011 Volt/Ampera NEDC was 196 mpg (US) or 235 (UK) with 51.6 mile or 83 km EV-only range included or 47 mpg (US) gas-only without including battery EV range.

 

Yes, you are probably right about that. But maybe the plug-in could be a real surprise, delivering electric only range closer to the Volt?

Having said all that, given it's the first year model, I wouldn't touch one until it's proven. This though definitely has given Toyota something to think about.

I do hope they offer lifetime warranty of the battery, like they did for the US market. This might forced Toyota down the same path or at least lengthen it's warranty...


SM-G900I ?

 

I am not in the market for a new car, BUT, in the event the Ioniq EV delivers something in the range of 200 miles, which I suspect it will to compete with others EV's, I could become interested. I read that the 3rd quarter is the delivery date for the EV.

Hyundai is not new to auto manufacturing. Consumer Report has rated the brand highly for several years. And remember, the Prius G4 is a brand new car as well: "Toyota was very eager to let us know this is an all-new Prius." A new TNGA platform, new suspension, new smaller/lighter electronics, and an all new interior and exterior. And, one new feature the G4 has that no other car has ...... a built-in urinal.

 

Did you catch the "availability" notice from GM about Bolt? They issued a clarification saying delivery won't happen until 2017.

 

Perhaps they are hoping the CAFE 'mid-course correction' will allow them to slip it even further.

Bob Wilson

 

False. GM said the Bolt will be in production in late 2016 but is not ready to guarantee it would be at dealers before January 1, 2017. Declining to issue a public guarantee that the produced cars will have passed all extended QC testing 11 months prior to planned late 2016 production is not the same thing as saying "delivery won't happen until 2017."

As a reference point, GM is rumored to begin production by late October, 2016. The 2011 Volt began production around the last week of October, 2010 and went through over a month of extended QA before shipping to dealers in mid-December. During testing, each early production car was driven around a factory test track about 70 miles.

Chevy Bolt Not Promised For Dealer Deliveries Before 2017

 

What part is false?

The clarification is great, but shouldn't have necessary.

GM has a reputation for being ambiguous. They thrive on attention stirred announcements being a little vague.

 

many of us are skeptical of car company promises. Remember when the prius phv was going to be out in 2010, and then it was a prototype, and nationwide availability in 2013, and then .... on hiatus before nationwide delivery, and gen II in who knows where this year or next.

I think many of us were doubtful for a start of gm actually getting cars to customers this year. Now that they confirmaed it, that customers probably won't get any bolts this year, its a big so what. So will nationwide delivery be in q1, 2017, or end of the year. Those are the questions. But no this is definitely a slip from the pr date. My guess is the first ones will trickle to california where they are subsidized more heavily, and it will be until at least may, 2017 that they make it out to all the dealers.

That is why its good hyundai is in the game. Will they ship the bev or phev nationwide in the us in 2016? I doubt it, but it keeps the heat on. Tesla's 2017 on the model 3 is also doubtfull, but I am very confident in 2018 nationwide on that one.

 

You asserted that GM said delivery won't happen until 2017. They did not say that.

Read the original article that I linked to above. GM asserts that production will begin in late 2016. The GM spokesperson declined the opportunity to guarantee that deliveries will happen in 2017. I don't see that as a slip. Frankly, I think the spokesperson's position is realistic.

Late 2016 production of a new car design requires additional testing of the first cars off the production line and there is a real risk of not making a Dec. 31, 2016 deadline. And in reality, the deliveries have to be a week or two before that because of holiday schedules. Mechanics have to prepare and do pre-delivery checking on new cars off of the truck and customers have to be available to do the sales paperwork in order to claim a 2016 sale for IRS tax credit purposes.

If GM 'guaranteed' delivery to customers before 2017 they would make people angry if they missed their tax credit deadline by a few days.

 

Talking about ambiguous...

Point being, there is little to be gained from rushing. Just look at how messed up the gen-2 rollout of Volt has been.

 

And the Los Vegas reveal of the G4.

 

That was only a reveal, not delivery expectations.