How to destroy America.

It sure sounds a lot like what was said in the 19th Century about the Eyetalians and Micks and Jews. BTW there are still enclaves of separatism in certain areas. Oh and the ones that wanted to assimilate did and we are all better for it.

This diversity and willingness to change is our strength. It's why many if not most of the significant developments in the last 100 yrs came from NA. Not perfected perhaps but certainly created from the cauldron of our diverse energy.

I embrace change.

 

I fully agree on both fronts.

 

take note, everyone. this is why the left and progressivism is doomed in this country. this person should be a democrat but clearly he self-identifies as a conservative. by his own admission, he is a "have-not"... struggled hard, got an education, and yet... "where's my stuff?" if anyone should be a "liberal", here he is. but instead he sides with The Man, and swallows their propaganda hook, line and sinker.

don't forget who is offshoring jobs and converting the american economy to a "service" economy. hint: it's not all democrats or "liberals". the overwhelming majority are card-carrying republicans - the CEOs and board members of every american corporation. don't forget who is spending billions and billions of dollars prosecuting a foreign war, while cutting budgets for education at home.

i dont understand the obsession with "illegals"... they are doing jobs that no one else wants to do. does walker1 want to bus tables or pick strawberries? are those jobs standing between him and the work that he was trained to do? liberals want to crucify those who don't agree with their position? i thought conservatives were all about pulling themselves up by their own bootstraps, self-reliance, hard work, and blaming no one but themselves when they fail. you know, all that ayn rand objectivist UberMench hooey. blaming immigrants for one's failures sure doesnt seem to fall into any of those categories. hmm.

 

This pea-brained, inflammatory, racist crap is worthy of the Know-Nothings of the 1830s and the white supremacists of present-day northern Idaho.

Wildkow, cdavid and walker: where were your forebears from? Were the six biolgical parents of the three of you Native Americans? If not, when each of them came to America, was he/she among the best-educated and/or skilled people to live here? For how many months or years did each---and his/her children---observe customs learned in the countries in which they were born, or continue to speak a language different from English, if that wasn't their native tongue?

California nearly destroyed? The state with the fifth-largest economy of all the political entities in the world, including the 200-odd other nations? A state which has experienced Hispanic immigration for 150 years while it was achieving this growth? Please extract your heads from your butts.

Is there a bill before Congress that I don't know about to make the US bilingual?

How about a bit of recent history? In the 37 years from 1968 'til now, America has had five Republican Presidents whose terms totalled 25 years, and two Democrats with a combined 12. Only Gerald Ford and Bush I were considered even moderate Republicans. The others have been true conservatives, patriots all.

Now: since WW II, have we been the strongest nation on the planet? Yes, we have. Has it been within our power to control our border with Mexico? (Even while we've been fighting four wars and assorted "police actions" during that time?) Yes, it has. Unquestionably.

Then why would you suppose little or nothing was ever done during those 25 Republican years to secure our southern border? Did they cut secret deals with Mexican presidents? Were they on the take from the wealthy growers of cash crops in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California in whose obvious interests it has been to oppose any real crackdown on "illegals"? C'mon, Hispanic-bashers, tell me! And why has W gone 5 full years without doing anything about it, if he's the Great Conservative Hope?

You boys are trashing the wrong culprits. You and I would do exactly the same as what those folks successfully sneaking into this country have done, were we in their shoes. But not one of their employers, to my knowledge, has ever been prosecuted for illegally paying non-citizen labor.

Yes, we whites officially became less than 50% of California's population a couple of years ago. Am I scared? No. Bothered? No. Do I resent paying for the public education or health care of those Hispanic kids who, through no fault of their own, were born here? No again. As for the parents of those kids, I know exactly whom to blame for their presence in this state.

Diversity and multiculturalism: do I worship them in and of themselves as if it should be national policy to strive for them? No. Do I resent it, or think "they" (which, in this state, includes at least 75 nationalities) are tearing the "social fabric" of CA or the US apart? No again. I think far more stress has been put on our "fabric" by indigenous American groups who variously traffic in drugs, porn and music that glorifies violence and hatred of/disrespect for females and legally-
constituted authority.

So take your "brilliant" perfessors and your profound silences and your 100% of conference attendees who simultaneously realized they were being flushed down the toilet by furriners---my, my, how did the author discover what was going on in the minds of all those profoundly silent folks?--- and run them past the Young Republicans at Liberty and Bob Jones, where they might be properly appreciated.

 

Contemptible bulls*it.

As a liberal, I've yet to participate in a crucifixion. Nor have I ever participated in any effort to silence the frothy-mouthed "pro-lifers" shouting their filth at women's clinics; nor would I. They and I both know that their hard-won freedom to loudly say anything they want in public (except, said Justice Holmes, "Fire!" in a crowded theater) was secured by Angela Davis, Mario Savio and others at the People's Park in Berkeley in the 60's. I agree with the greatest proponent of personal liberty ever to write in English, John Stuart Mill, that we should bend over backwards to protect the speech of even a minority of one person, no matter how repellent his/her thoughts might be to any given majority, simply because such freedom is a natural right.

I am three credit hours shy of an M.A. and have been unemployed for three years.
Walker1 and I will get the jobs we "deserve" when some screening committee forwards our names to some supervisor who thinks we're the right persons for the job(s). No matter how "overlooked" I may feel, I sure as hell am not going to blame those who were hired during those three years for my inability to get hired. A job with full bennies? Yeah, right. All the Republican-supporting businesses are eliminating or reducing health care and/or retirement benefits because the largely conservative doctors have so far torpedoed our right to national health care while simultaneously driving health care costs (with the complicity of money-grubbing insurers) through the roof, while the corporations have either stolen the pension funds, never did keep sufficient reserves, or squandered funds on shaky investments.

Who always ends up paying for business corruption and/or incompetence (savings & loan bailouts, current retirement fund bailouts)? Why, the same folks who pay for our ego-driven wars. You and me, babe.

Call it the conservative influence.

 

How to destroy America? Easy...

Attack the country in a visible, shocking manner (say, flying planes into the world trade centres), to incite dumb politicians to declare war on (the wrong country) on the other side of the world with no evidence they had anything to do with the attack...

Then...

Keep up a few minor attacks in other countries (for example, London), to keep people scared and keep politicians frightened.

Politicians then authorize spying on civilians in their own country, creating east-berlin style files on everyone, restricting people's freedoms and privacy, violating the constitution, numerous other dubious illegal acts "in order to fight terrorism", etc...

Seems like the most effective way to destroy a country is to make the dumb politicians in charge scared enough to violate their own laws and not be accountable to anyone...

Starts America down the path towards an Owellian 1984...

As they'd say in counterstrike... "Terrorists Win"...

Dave

 

It's amazing how many people out there believe that the guy who is allowed to sneak across the border to mow their lawns and clean their toilets for less than minimum wage has the ability to destroy America.

It seems like the anti-immigrant BS that so many have bought into goes like this:
Dissatified with your life? Then it must be the fault of that guy that's trying to pull himself out of the gutter of Mexico. He is screwing things up for you! Hate him, not me! We'll still allow everyone to hire them when they come across, no penalties there, just make sure you pay them dirt and blame them for the downfall of America.


Now here's the thickest sarcastic tone I can muster:
Now it couldn't possibly be the politically powerless rich people in this country espousing this idea, now could it? Poor, poor, rich people are always the victims...you know it sucks so bad to be them, and they would much rather have the sweet deal free-ride that them illegal aliens are getting than be burdened with all of their cursed money. Rich people, seeing how they are so unhappy with how things are, would be the last ones in this country to try to start a fire between the lower classes, right?
I mean, the poor illegal aliens have sooo much power. True, they can't vote, and true, they don't really have the money to control the media, and true, the Big Impoverished Illegal Alien Lobby also isn't a big player in government, but dammit, trust me, they have tons of power somehow and they are so unlikable, and it's their fault that you are not rich like me.

 

Good luck Walker and the other couple of rational people here. I know that you already know, but this place is like the snakepit of liberalizm and your comments are stirring irrationality. Can you feel the heat.. or I guess properly placed.. the hate?

Want to tell a woman that you will show her the baby growing inside her womb on sonogram before she has an abortion? It's free, no obligation to change your mind, but if you would like to talk with someone about this decision and to see your lump of tissue and his/her arms, legs, head, eyes, fingers, toes, beating heart... prior to going across the street to have an abortion, then you are welcome.


Apparently woman have the right to choose and that's well supported. But apparently a woman's right to choose to have a sonogram and to discuss historical data on women who have had abortions and long term side effects is not within a woman's right to choose.

Anyhow, the things that will gut this country from the inside out are the great moral abomonations against God that tend to be highly promoted by the liberal left.

Good luck Walker and the conservative right... You need it on here...

 

Not in these numbers and not as a political scapegoat.

 

And this is the problem.

 

1. barely enough
2. close to
3. yes and yes
4. sure do

i'm saying the ideas you're presenting are a little far fetched. unless, of course, you ARE competing with the migrant workers.
and i did have a job like that- all thorough high school (i supported mysef) and all through college. i would continue to have a job like that had i not landed a fellowship. i have not had it easy as you'd like to think.

yes, i'm one rich mofo, as i've clearly demonstrated here. however, i feel we are all humans and that we should not be judged by the country in which we were born but the merit of our actions and hearts.

sorry to hear that. however, how many bilingual mexicans are certified to be teachers?
or are you blaming this on the increasing spanish speaking population?
times change. the smart ones adapt. go learn spanish then if you wan tto help yourself, as you say you do.

i sense you're directing this to me. so let me just say, i got most of those ideas (with the exception of the berry picking) from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE of either me or my husband.

so can you.

american self entitlement. yes. i was born in america so i deserve everything, and even if someone with a phd in my discipline from india and clearly more talent than i have, my potential employer should discriminate against the "foreigner" and hire me. because i'm american. which clearly makes me superior.

get off your high horse. you're born in america so freakin' what? does that make you better than anyone else? with your attitude, i'd say it makes you an arrogant racist.

 

It's not a partisan issue but one for the people of this country in general. Not being able to get past partisanship is proving the point. This kind of bickering is indicative of the real problem: That we're too divided and individualistic to be a cohesive people. The issue isn't illegal aliens specifically. The U.S. is made up of immigrants. Celebrating diversity is fine but to put it ahead of the country's cohesiveness is a real problem. The 'us vs. them' sentiment that is so rampant in this thread, and this country these days, is the problem precisely. George isn't the only person in this country who's putting his own self interests ahead of the national security but his antagonistic approach to everyone who disagrees with him is fanning the flames. And then the Democrats criticize him for it but fan the flames themselves. Stop fighting each other and try to see that your fellow Americans aren't the real problem. The problem isn't those bad old liberals or those bad old conservatives.

 

...although I do feel the need to clarify one thing:

If an "illegal" person somehow manages to get in and work their asses off, they should be allowed to become Citizens on almost that fact alone. What I don't agree with, as probably many do, are the ones that come here and somehow manage to sit around on welfare and such.

..but hey, if Al Faroque Pradip Singh is an American Citizen who has the same education as I do, and is willing to work twice as many hours as me for less, I say, it's all fair game... I'm not going to be bitter against the company that hired him.

 

LOL!

"Liberal"

Didn't I call that one?

 

I actually agree with this, however I don't just blame Republicans...