How many Prius owners believe in Global Warming theory?

Even if there were an endless supply of petroleum, I believe there are other good reasons not to burn it all as fuel and pollute our atmosphere.

 

Do you have any papers from the Geological Society of America or a similar peer-reviewed source or are these all blogs, conspiracy theory and Libertarian sites? I ask because a friend of mine was an "oil geologist" for Mobil and has spent most of his career looking for new reserves and even he supports the idea of limited reserves. Because of his tireless efforts to protect and restore our local natural areas, I highly doubt his opinions on oil are profit driven.

 

How do I explain them? Let's see:

Source: Newsday.com. You might as well be quoting The Onion as your source.

Let's scroll down to the very last lines of the page:

Translation: He's making crap up.

Source: A random posting off a message board. Oh, THAT'S reliable!

This is one of the two legitimate links on this list. And they're only talking about a theory about a potential that MAY be a long way off.

By the way, these folks are big supporters of the fact that Climate Change is real.

Source: World News Daily. Even worse than Newsday (see above).

Source: Newsday.

The other legitimate link. And again, only talking about a theory about a potential that is again a long way off.

So how I explain them: Science fiction at best, Comedy at worst.

 

Wait - but someone said it on the internet - it must be true!

 

At least they are somewhat varied "sources" of blogs and such.

My favourite is when someone posts something on a random blog or forum (or on a fox n' friends morning show), then later people start quoting and referencing the article, then the original article says "see someone else agrees" and references the article that referenced it, and it spirals out of control with all of them pointing to various "references" on different sites by different people, but the whole source of the information was one little sentence in the internet abyss. It's great when you can see the whole thing happen in one news day cycle on Fox, morning show they make a suggestion or state an opinion, then the next news show they quote things like "people are saying _____" and then by the time Glen Beck comes around its "the majority of america believes that _______ and obama just wont listen".

 

It is nice to know you are getting "fair and balanced" reporting...

 

It's all there in my cite's, did you read them?

The Deep Hot Biosphere," 1999, Dr. Gold presents compelling evidence for inorganic oil formation.

http://www.csun.edu/~vcgeo005/Energy.html


"Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (US)," "The genesis of hydrocarbons and the origin of petroleum." Dr. Kenney and three Russian coauthors . . .

Abiogenic Gas Debate 11:2002 EXPLORER

The mystery of eugene island 330

Wall Street Journal Article  About The Origins Of Crude Oil

Wired 8.07: Fuel's Paradise

If the guy you mentioned above is your friend email him I'd be interested in what he says.

 

So you're totally dismissing the work of all these scientist . . .

Chemical oceanographer Mahlon "Chuck" Kennicutt faculty member at Texas A&M University

Marine geologist Harry Roberts, at Louisiana State University

Analytic chemist Jean Whelan, at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, in Massachusetts

Geochemist-geologist John Hunt

Researcher Ian MacDonald at Texas A&M

Dmitri Mendelev (who created the periodic table of elements)

Dr. Thomas Gold (founding director of Cornell University Center for Radiophysics and Space Research)

Dr. J.F. Kenney of Gas Resources Corporations, Houston, Texas.

Roger Andersen, an oceanographer and executive director of Columbia’s Energy Research Center

Researchers Anton Kolesnikov, and Alexander Goncharov’s at the Royal Institute of Technology (KTH) in Stockholm

Vladimir Kutcherov, a professor at the Division of Energy Technology at KTH.

not to mention that all the above were convincing enough to be aided by these organizations . . .

U S Dept of Energy to ante up ten million which was matched by a consortium of oil giants including
Chevron,
Exxon,
PennzEnergy Co
and Tex Corp.

The credentials of Robert Cooke author of the Newsday article . . .Robert Cooke - Authors - Random House

ROBERT COOKE, a native of Southern California, served four years in the coast guard before graduating from California State Polytechnic College and receiving a master's degree from UCLA a year later. Since then he has spent thirty-five years covering science and medicine for major newspapers, including The Boston Globe, The Atlantic journal and Constitution, and Newsday. His fascination with science news began with the advent of the space age and matured with continuing exposure to the biological sciences. His interests are wide-ranging and include molecular biology, genetics, geology, astronomy, and archaeology and anthropology.


because of the location the cite's come from and not upon the scientific evidence they are based upon? Interesting.

 

But these are not "real" scientist Trebuchet... Anyone saying anything against the theory is an ignoramus.

 

No, F8L was asking a valid question: where these sources from actual research papers, or were they conclusions taken from some editorials? I've noticed anti-GW sites like to use non-environmental scientists or misinterpret overall findings from previous research papers.

 

From what I can tell, abiogenic processes can and do create some small amount of hydrocarbons on Earth - but the amount is nearly negligible.

From the abstract from your first citation:

I think that most will agree that we will never get all the oil/hydrocarbons out of the ground - long before that we will reach the technological limits of what we are able to reach.

Meaning that it will become too expensive to dig out of the ground.

And at that point when we are unable to afford to dig oil out of the ground without the price increasing significantly, we will have reached peak oil.

 

I'm giving you a little poke then.

Adelaide Showground :: Australia's Largest Solar Rooftop

This is in my local area. South Australia is a little state of only about 2 million people in a small country of only 22 million but we generate 48% of the wind energy generated in Australia.

http://www.climatechange.sa.gov.au/index.php?page=renewable-energy-in-sa
and that is growing. And you know something, you can still see the sky without looking through a turbine!!

 

Abiotic petroleum just won't die eh? Must be because it's abiotic. If you can work your way through Glasby 2006 (get it here

http://www.liv.ac.uk/~jan/teaching/References/Glasby 2006.pdf

You will see how Kenney, Gold etc. got it wrong. It is not their fault that they were working with an incomplete understanding of deep-earth processes.

Also cast your eyes on Lollar et al 2002

http://deepbio.princeton.edu/samp/papers/Sherwood-Lollar.pdf

If you get no further than the introductory summary, you will perhaps be persuaded that the stable isotopic signatures of petroleum reserves are biological.

However, I think that the most important point remains: given human's propensity for converting all subsurface hydrocarbons to money and atmospheric CO2 as quickly as possible, an inexhaustible supply of them should be regarded as very bad news for the long-term survival of us 'biotics'.

 

It is tough to let go of something that is as enticing as perpetual motion!

Oy.

 

Or nuclear fusion

 

Or pancakes

 

Why don't you tell me exactly how petroleum comes into existence,
and then tell me exactly how much there is, and exactly where it is located ...

how do you feel about histrionics?

I think you and the previous posters are suggesting that I am ignorant ...

could this be because my beliefs are different than yours?

Is everyone assuming, without knowing what I think and what I know, that I am unequivocally wrong?

Many here have taken a leap of faith, whether it be with Global Warming Theory or Depleted Resources Theory,

and it is no different than what I've heard my entire life, about overpopulation, deforestation, resource depletion, animal extinction ...

it's a business kiddos, you've been hoodwinked.

You live it like it's a religion ... blind faith ... that's all you've got ... faith,

so don't push it on me like a holy roller.

I overslept and missed the resurrection, and I subsequently missed the briefing where either of these theories were proven.

Proof.

 

Let's take an easy one. Animal extinction. Are you saying that no animal ever went extinct anywhere at any time?

 

no, I'm not,

now let's take an even easier one ...

how many natural resources can you name that have been depleted to exhaustion?

.

 

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