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I don't think it's that clear-cut.

How about the dealer who tells the manufacturer what they want to order, because they're supremely confident they'll be able to upsell the result to a customer eventually? What's the customer going to do, buy direct?

Of course the manufacturer will go along with a request to build and sell more of something, or a more feature-dense something. They love growth.

The U.S. auto market is badly distorted by its middlemen.

 

Blazer by GM is like many other ev startups. Big learning curves. Gen 1 tesla Roadster? Batteries would brick. Toyota's bz? Wheels prone to fall off. Now the Blazer has problems. Not such a big mystery. They'll all likely get stuff dialed in down the road. Even gassers over the decades have gone through growing pains.
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Understand and respect your opinion on accessories.

I might come at it from a different approach - but we agree that additional accessories = greater profit.

Car Accessories Market Size, Growth Opportunities 2023-2032 (gminsights.com)

Your assumptions are way off the mark.

Just a couple of Tesla patents
Tesla Motors US Patents, Patent Applications and Patent Search - Justia Patents Search

 

It's quite remarkable how enthusiasts can be their own worst enemy. Absolutely refusing to acknowledge when history repeats is bad enough, but there's no excuse for knowingly feeding a false narrative. The switch to hub-bolts had nothing whatsoever to do with the EV propulsion system. Contributing to FUD hurts everyone. Manufacturing errors/defects happen to all vehicle types.

 

isn't that what i just said? ..... whether ev or ice - each new product seems to need to have the bugs shaking out?
Please elaborate on whatever false narrative you are construing.
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EV sales are growing with or without subsidies.
Yes, they grow faster with subsidies.

Tesla sales continued growing.

I’ll have to jot this down in my calendar, I agree with John!!!
Toyota had no learning curve, they had been putting wheels on cars for many decades. No excuse for something this simple to slip between the cracks.

 

He is drawing a very strict reading of your comment about an ‘EV learning curve’.
For someone that does so much reading between the lines, he seems to have lost that ability.

 

Yeah John, how many examples does one need to understand a generalized theme. Didn't we both have GenII prius at one time? notorious for screen failures? Cold solders iirc?

MultiFunction Display failure | PriusChat

A fact doesn't need a dozen examples varying from software to Mechanical to electronic, does it?
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Really? I learned that lesson back in high school... many decades ago. You don't draw attention to ordinary outcomes. Those things that are easily solved and won't ever happen again are a waste of resources to dwell on. Focus on what will actually provide a gain.

The common way of referring to this situation is "beating a dead horse".

 

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please pass the 1,000 island dressing for that word
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me no speak mumbo jumbo-ese
i think you deliberately respond that way so no one can give a correction to wrong thinking

 

Don't like the answer, declare it a word salad... Here's that same sentiment, as Google states it:

"a particular effort is futile, being a waste of time without a positive outcome"

That's been the point of "over promise, under deliver" since the very beginning. GM sets unrealisitic goals, we call out what realistic expectations should be. Distractions don't contribute to that.

 

So - if i use my secret decoder ring to translate, you are saying that talking about "over promising" & under delivering is tantamount to beating a dead horse .... definition of which you borrowed from Google's translation of that expression.
But isn't that what you have done on several occasions to GM? Pointing out they're "over promising & under delivering"? But it seems to bug you no end - if it's brought up that Toyota & other manufacturers are all the same in that regard. Average people just call it optimism instead of make it damning as over promising under delivering. For example toyota was promising tons & tons of hydrogen cars by year X .... & yet under delivering by miles & miles. But then you rationalize that observation - by throwing in the tortoise & hare phrase - which we are suppised to interpret as meaning Toyota is only being left behind for now - in whatever field .... but in the end they are going to win the race .... thus - that makes it all okay for them. right? I think I got it but there's lots of easier ways to say what you mean.

 

It boggles the minds how SETTING REALISTIC EXPECTATIONS is so difficult for some.

The topic is BLAZER EV. But rather than actually focus on what should happen now from GM, it's shoot the messenger and introduce what-abouts.

 

@john1701a I am going to try to help here, as in the past I have seen some great information from you. Please take this as constructively as you can, as I believe it will help others understand you better.

Your posts, often, have phrases, with a vague, or unknowable subject.

For example, above you stated

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If you had given an example of this, or quoted a post showing this behavior, it would have been much clearer to the reader.
As written, a reader would look to the previous post for context. Doing so here shows a post in which Hill mentions Toyota over promising and under delivering just as other companies do.

This obviously isn't the context you intended.

Internet discussions are more difficult than conversation in person. Context, and definition of ambiguous terms are very important.
Nobody is perfect at this, I just mention it as I believe it will help people understand you better.

 

A lot of times I see people arguing on forums but actually have the same exact opinion or point. It's just that they don't understand each other.

The English language also doesn't help. What's the difference between "I used to clean bathrooms" and "I used two clean bathrooms?"

 

GM has been selling the Bolt for quite a few years now (and if you include the Volt, even longer) so they are not an EV startup in my opinion. However, they are not accustomed to vertical market and I think that's the direction they are taking with the Ultrium platform.

 

At one time!!!

 

I wouldn’t make too much of this. The Bolt and Volt and others were fine.
As for as me, throw all the software out and make an electric car meeting safety, with a $20 key switch, with a battery that doesn’t catch fire, doesn’t get dinged by road debris, and lasts indefinitely. But it has to be under 20,000. We already dispose of other electronics going out of date, why can’t the car be exempt. The updated over the air ones too. My iphone is updated over the air.

 

Actually, I think that's what John meant. He has stated, clearly, that the bzx4 isn't competitive and an update is coming, eventually, which may help. So this may be an example of John acknowledging reality.

 

Possible, but a reader of this thread may not be aware of that.
A link, or quote, would add needed context.