GM and others announce hybrid project

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(john1701a @ Aug 15 2006, 05:11 AM) [snapback]303418[/snapback]</div>

The Vue is here today.

And I rather think you stopped participating because you didn't have your normal 100% agreement rating with all of the posters, and couldn't counter everyone's arguements.

 

So much for objective.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(micheal @ Aug 14 2006, 11:07 PM) [snapback]303332[/snapback]</div>

I like how he claims he owns a Prius as well. Reminds me of a buddy that claims to be a quarter jew thus making anti-semitic jokes ok....

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(sl7vk @ Aug 15 2006, 10:53 AM) [snapback]303504[/snapback]</div>

So I don't actually own a prius? Wow... I didn't know that...

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(EricGo @ Aug 15 2006, 12:25 AM) [snapback]303372[/snapback]</div>

I was just at a 50th Anniversary party Saturday evening, and a friend was telling me about a workmate with a new Tahoe who spends over $1000 a month: $500 loan + $350 fuel + $150 insurance! :blink:
Although this thread has gotten pulled down by a lot of hostility and silliness, 2 things stand out that I agree with:
1) people should be better educated to only buy a vehicle they actually NEED, not the one they are brainwashed into buying in the commercials. As Eric said, you can always borrow or rent a truck, like I do, for those few times you actually need one.
2) Even though they may not seem like "real" hybrids to us, even huge GM SUV hybrids that get improved mileage and emissions should be welcomed, FOR PEOPLE THAT NEED AN SUV/LARGE TRUCK.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Aug 15 2006, 11:38 AM) [snapback]303525[/snapback]</div>

Even with the SABs, the Prius only gets 4 stars on the side impact test. The Jetta gets 5.

It's a small point, but it's likely explains part of why the Jetta is so heavy.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jonnycat26 @ Aug 15 2006, 05:16 AM) [snapback]303436[/snapback]</div>

But it's not the two-mode system that was mentioned.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(cwerdna @ Aug 15 2006, 01:28 PM) [snapback]303581[/snapback]</div>

Both systems have been mentioned numerous times in this thread.. John1701a didn't mention which one he was referring to.

 

To insist that GM's designs are better without any data at all or even a explanation of why is clearly not objective. The continous slander is far from constructive too, but what are you going to do?

Just wait it out. The market tends to shake out the weaker products over time.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(john1701a @ Aug 15 2006, 06:25 PM) [snapback]303771[/snapback]</div>

I do not insist they're better John... I never have. In fact, if you ever read my posts I do praise the Prius as having one of the best drivetrains available in a hybrid.

What I do believe is that with BAS GM is doing what they did with AntiLock Brakes 15 years ago. They've made it cheap, they've made it affordable and they're going to get it into far more cars than it has been before. I don't know how anyone can really have a problem with that, but you John1701a amaze me in that respect. I totally see what someone else pointed out earlier, with you if it's not HSD it's not worth pursuing.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jonnycat26 @ Aug 15 2006, 06:10 PM) [snapback]303793[/snapback]</div>

That is a perfect example of implied meaning.

No matter how many times I say I am in favor of "full" hybrid technology, you attempt to discredit by telling people I only support Toyota. That couldn't be further from the truth. Look back in my blogs to see all that I did to help out the Ford hybrid when it first debuted. I was thrilled there was finally another "full" available.

As for the "better" claim, you have clearly missed the point entirely. Being objective means not even drawing a conclusion. Provide design detail and actual data to allow others to make the decision for themselves. Your "it'll actually beat the Camry" comment most definitely did neither.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(john1701a @ Aug 15 2006, 07:47 PM) [snapback]303802[/snapback]</div>

It's not my job to provide design detail, and news flash, it's not yours either. Design detail is available on the web to anyone with fingers that can manage to type "google.com". And you chopped my "it'll actually beat the camry" comment, as the full comment had a "on the highway" provision attached to the end. It's another one of your favored tactics... selective quoting.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jonnycat26 @ Aug 15 2006, 06:59 PM) [snapback]303806[/snapback]</div>

So... how exactly did you support that entire comment? You jump on me if I don't include a link everytime I quote something, yet you can just say find it on google. Hmm?

Regardless, it worked. Undermining successful. Good job. Making a thread non-constructive is the goal.

Meanwhile, we'll just keep on chugging out the real-world data. Automakers can announce whatever they want about their hybrid projects. But until an actual vehicle is available, it doesn't mean squat. And then, only a token quantity isn't helpful. It isn't until they make a major investment that it really counts. When a noticable chunk is becoming hybrid, then we're talking.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(john1701a @ Aug 15 2006, 08:28 PM) [snapback]303817[/snapback]</div>

Look, when it's something as basic as how a system works, you can look it up.

When you accuse me of saying something in the past, damn right I want a link to it.

Stop being such a crybaby.

And I support the entire comment by the efficiency gains of 20%. I've already read that the Malibu is targeted to hit 40MPG. And I'd love to tell you where and on what forum, but you know what happened the last time I pointed out a forum to you... you pretty much waltzed in there and screwed up that entire Escape community.

 

Interesting. I had wondered what that false impression had manifested itself into.

It's too bad we cannot get more info. Of course, I couldn't even get an explanation of how balance-shaft related to cylinder-deactivation either.

That's ok though. Talk without supporting data is easily identified as propaganda anyway. I look forward to the discussions when the estimates can actually be validated with real-world results. Until then, look up the definition of "vaporware". Even really good intentions have come up disappointing due to market pressures.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(john1701a @ Aug 16 2006, 12:29 PM) [snapback]304139[/snapback]</div>

It's no false impression.. you really managed to stir that forum up with your unwanted preaching.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jonnycat26 @ Aug 15 2006, 08:26 PM) [snapback]303845[/snapback]</div>

Boy, that would be cool if I actually had that kind of influence. But in reality, my show of support for the Escape-Hybrid was greeted with the same response several others ended up getting. The community as a whole simply wasn't interested in the hybrid. And over a year and half later, they still aren't.

I see you've declared a show of support as well, but not a cheer for all "full" hybrids as I did. This is quite different. Care to add any comment? It's only fair that you have an opportunity to respond first...


http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthr...6527#post796527

#59

Believe it or not, Toyota's suck these days.

I say this as a Toyota owner (Prius) who is going to dump said car for the Aura hybrid as soon as it's available. Here's a partial list of what's happened to my Toyota.

Engine died at 300 miles.
Engine died at 350 miles.
Dash has started to warp due to the incredible use of hard plastic.
Because of dash warpage, glove box doesn't close right.
Rear seat latches ejected from seats.
Center console is in the process of disentegrating.
The brakes occasionally 'jump' when you're braking hard. You can read about that on various prius forums.

The car itself is a rattletrap. Just horrendous. But what do you expect from something with as much hard plastic as this. As someone who's owned an '88 Cavalier, a '97 Alero and a '00 Jetta, I can honestly say this car has the worst interior and worst build quality of *any* car I have owned. Period.

So Toyota quality... maybe they were great a few years ago. Or a decade ago. But not anymore.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(john1701a @ Oct 23 2006, 12:24 AM) [snapback]336633[/snapback]</div>

Dude, is it news to you I'm not happy with my Prius? If the Aura hybrid gets the mileage I expect it to get, it's my next car. I've already said I plan to ditch my Prius after it hits the 60K mark.

And dude, I've told you, I don't give a flying wazoo if it's "full" or "mild". I'm more interested in results and mileage.