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GET YOUR DEDICATED SNOW TIRES NOW !!!

Discussion in 'Prime Main Forum (2017-2022)' started by Rob43, Sep 24, 2019.

  1. Salamander_King

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    When I get home, I can also check the weight of my full spare on generic 15" steel rim mounted with EP20 tire. It should be close to OEM 15" Corolla steel rim. Yeah I don't think it is particularly heavier than PRIME's OEM alloy wheels with tires, maybe bit lighter.
     
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    Snapped: getting chilly in the garage, will have to get those on before long:

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    (Pounds)

    Ignoring valve and weights, considering brand new X-Ice:

    36.27-19=17.27

    Should factor in that these are down to 7/32" tread depth, and take the weight and valve into account. Later. :)
     
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    36.27 lb Xice2 and Corolla OEM steel wheel

    195/65R15 Xice3 new supposed to be 19 lb by TireRack spec. I don't know what Xice2 is supposed to be. If it is 19 lb, the steely has to be 17.27 lb.

    Of course, your tire is 10 years old with less tread. The wheel maybe heavier than 17 lb.
     
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    Yeah except my tires are down to 7/32". I'll maybe try to figure that out, the volume of rubber, what it would weigh. The lighter the tire in actuality, the heavier the rim. I amended post above.
     
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    Rough calc, if I've worn down the tire from 10.5/32" to 7.5/32", tire weighs 0.055 lbs per cu. inch., and the tire surface at the tread is 50% voids:

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    So 17.25(roughly) plus 1.5, get's it up to 18.75 pounds. Take off the weights and valve, maybe 18.5 pounds??

    If I ever have a chance I'll weigh a bare rim, lol.
     
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    Yap, that would be the surest answer. You will be taking off those old Xice from the rims after this season, aren't you? lol
     
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    Rob43 has the same steelies, so I can calibrate our bathroom scale from the offset and will revise my weights accordingly.
     
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    I'm still Un-mounted, I'll probably take a loose steel wheel with me to get weighed the next time I mail one of my Rob43 240v adapters.


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    Snow in the forecast later this week. With the time change, I will not have enough day light left after work. I decided to swap snow tires on both my PRIME and my wife's Pathfinder 2 weeks earlier than last year. While I had the tires off, I decided to spray some FluidFilm and WoolWax. I have no undercoating on PRIME, but Pathfinder was professionally sprayed with WoolWax recently. I will see which one holds better, FluidFilm or WoolWax.

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    Here are the weights of various wheels with a mounted tire.

    Generic 15" steel wheel with Ecopia EP20 (19 lb new) this is my full size spare: 38.3lb
    PRIME OEM 15" alloy wheel with OEM Dunlop Enasave (16 lb new): 30.3lb
    MB WHEELS ICON 15" cast aluminum wheel with Xice-3 (19 lb new): 33.9lb

    Although tires had lost some weights, especially OEM Dunlop with only 4/32 left, using new tire weights.

    Generic 15" steel wheel: 19.3lb
    PRIME OEM 15" alloy wheel: 14.3lb
    MB WHEELS ICON 15" cast aluminum wheel: 14.9lb

    Considering Ecopia EP20 having at least 8/32 (10/32 new), Xice-3 with 9/32 (10.5/32 new), and OEM Dunlop with only 4/32 (8/32 new), the OEM rim and aftermarket alloy probably weighs about the same around 15lb, while the steely weighs approximately 20lb.

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    Hi rob this was a gd deal u posted & I was wondering if these rims will work on my 2016 Prius three touring. I want to swap out for these rims for the winter to pair with the Michelin x ice3 or the Toyo gsi5.

    These wheels are still on sale . Is there anything else I'm going to need for these wheels if I can use them on my Prius. Lug nuts etc..
    do u think I'm going to need those hub rings too?

    I don't know much about cars as u can tell thanks for all the help & deal that u posted.
     
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    Been on about a week now. :)

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    2" ABS end caps make it look slightly better, and keep the hubs from rusting. Works with the Corolla rims.
     
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    Go ahead & buy them, they're a Great Deal & will serve you well for years and years. Don't buy the hub rings, just mount them the way the wheels come. They will be mounted as "Bolt/Lug Centric", this will be just fine for your short ~90 days of usage. If your current Toyota OE lug nuts have a Beveled Edge on the very end of them (Like the Prime), then they will work great for you. I, like many Don't run TPMS for the roughly ~90 days that the snow tires are mounted, just check them occasionally for safety.

    Price out all your tire options, I would still tell you that the Hankook Winter iCept iZ2 W616 studdless snow tires at ~$255 shipped from Simple Tire is your best choice based on test results & price.

    Keep us updated with your progress....



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    Thanks rob so just that wheel along will be fine, do they come with lug nuts or do I just use the lug nuts from the 17 OEM wheel.


    Also u think those hankook tires are better than the Michelin x ice3 I might probably drive around 8k over the next couple of months on these snow tires. Most of the time I will be on bare & wet roads where's there's no snow & will only encounter the snow over the mountain passes.


    I'm thinking of mounting them myself & saving money because I've called around & a lot of places will not mount any tires & wheels I bring in without the tpms sensor. It's a federal law they told me .
     
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    1) Toyota OE lug nuts will work IF they have a beveled edge on the end of them.

    2) I don't know the answer to your last-ability question. If one set of tires costs ~$255 & the other set costs ~$400, that's a ~57% difference in cost. I would say that "IF" the the ~$255 tire wore out a little quicker by 10 or 20%, everything is still massively in your favor.

    3) CASH IS KING, I'll say that again; CASH IS KING. Meaning there's always some local tire shop / gas station that wants your ~$40 to ~$50 CASH dollars for an easy onetime mount & balance job. I have a local independent tire shop that I use, I pay $40 cash for a onetime job like this.


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    Ok thanks again bud, I guess I will look around & see if I can find a local tire shop to do the job
     
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    You can try Walmart tire center for mounting and balancing. If you buy tires from Walmart, it's only $12-15/tire. Walmart near me had no problem doing that without TPMS installed. If you bring in tires bought somewhere else, they may charge bit more. Mounting and balancing tires requires a special machine. Although I have seen a YouTube video on people doing this with a very primitive cheap HF tire mounting and balancing tool, it's a job best performed by a professional.
     
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    Will do that thanks bud
     
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    Yes, but...the contact surface is very small. A set of nice chromed acorn nuts with the conical face doesn't cost much and gives a more secure fastening. (Discount Tire sold me a set of fancy lug nuts that needed a special splined wrench adapter, and the nuts weren't even threaded correctly. They were tight on the clean threads all the way down. I threw them away.)
     
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    Discount tire loves those stupid lug nuts. It makes it hard for anyone else to work on the wheels if they don't have the tool handy, and impossible to change a flat tire if you don't carry the tool in your car. Luckily they are pretty common and cheap and seem to be all the same size.