Furious and ignorant Nissan Leaf driver

The goal is to maintain constructive discussion with respect.

 

At a cost. Theoretically, every parking spot could have a charger in the same way many spots in cities have parking meters.

When people say "Where will people who park on the street charge?" as an objection to PEV my answer would always be "Where they park their car". Cheap batteries => more people want plug-ins => it will happen. It'd be more expensive, but it'd happen.

 

Until there is ubiquity and standardization in "charge stations" to the level of "gas stations", range anxiety-driven drama will continue. And what drama it is! Long live the hybrid (including with plug-in option).

 

To the OP: the Leaf owner's behaviour aside:

With a plug-in hybrid charging at a public station is not a necessity. For him, it might mean being stranded.

 

The other guy was already charging his electric doorstop! He had no argument except to manufacture outrage.

 

No. The OP was wrong. He broke California law (AB475) by not actively charging while in an EV charging spot. His PiP wasn't even physically compatible w/the CHAdeMO charger that he ICEd, so he never could've charged there.



The above ports are what Leafs w/CHAdeMO have. The inlet on the left is CHAdeMO, for DC fast charging. That's all that Blink DC FC provides.

The one on the right is J1772 for L1 and L2 AC (not very fast) charging, which is what the PiP, Leaf, and all currently sold BEVs and PHEVs in the US can use (a few require adapters, like Teslas).

PiP in incapable of using CHAdeMO or being DC fast charged and thus not compatible w/the the charger he blocked.

He also likely didn't practice charging etiquette by leaving a card/contact info behind. He also could've inconvenienced a CHAdeMO equipped EV that might've showed up. The Leafer had no idea how long the other spot would remain ICEd. What if both spots got ICEd for an unknown amount of time?

 

Get in line...

 

For what? What if both spots get ICEd? How is an BEV owner supposed to know when the guy will return? A Leaf can be taken from 0-80% in ~30 minutes w/a CHAdeMO DC fast charger.

1 or 2 wrongs don't make a right. Again, the OP broke California law and he blocked a charging spot that he couldn't even use.

 

They weren't. Get a grip. Or call a cop.

The range-anxious in search of scarce and non-standard charging facilities are going to see and cause more road rage than occurs out on the open road. Amazing anyone buys an EV.

 

^^^
Sigh... Non-standard? Per
CHAdeMO Association, there are 2664 CHAdeMO stations in the world. Unfortunately, the site isn't the most up to date as the US count is surely above 160 due to Nissan rolling out a lot of DC FCs in the past year.

Per Supercharger | Tesla Motors, there are only 12 Tesla Supercharger locations (each does usually have several bays and thus "slots" to charge at). Only the Model S w/Supercharging equipment can use those, since it's proprietary.

How about the 3rd "standard" J1772 CCS (aka Frankenplug)? 0 shipping EVs and 0 publicly accessible stations.

I do plan on leasing a Leaf.

People have various reasons for buying/leasing a BEV. Clueless NYT reporter manages to get stranded in Model S | Page 22 | PriusChat is an example of some of them. Can you power an ICEV from renewables such as falling water, solar or wind power?

Hope you realize that we still import 45% of our oil (Oil: Crude and Petroleum Products - Energy Explained, Your Guide To Understanding Energy - Energy Information Administration), sending $800 million/day (or ~$292 billion/year) to foreign countries to pay for our oil, most of which resides in volatile regions of the world or countries that have our best interests in mind (CIA - The World Factbook). And that virtually none of our electricity comes from oil (Energy and You | Clean Energy | US EPA).

 

Yeah, non-standard and non-ubiquitous. Cart before the horse? EV before any charging stations....

Have to laugh at the guy "Tesla Road Trip" who posts in social media. Guy has to pre-charge his brick for a day before planning to drive it more than 100 miles. Guess he has two. One to charge and one to drive. Like FIATs...

This is a guy who pilloried the NY Times guy, BTW. That "clueless NY Times guy" is the one who essentially forced Musk to accelerate the roll-out of charging stations and his uber-ridiculous and somewhat scammily launched battery swap option.

 

Most BEV owners charge at home and some at work. How many hours/day is your car parked, turned off and doing nothing?

Charging stations enable the BEV/PHEV owners to extend their EV range.

As for "non-standard", there is the J1772 standard, which is quite ubiquitous (see earlier post). Besides those installed at homes, I don't have a count, but OTOH, I'd guess there are 10s of thousands deployed worldwide, if not 100s of thousands. But, the OP chose to block a station that didn't have J1772 and that he couldn't use. Toyota chose not to put a CHAdeMO port on the PiP nor any of their BEVs.

 

Wow, an early adopter.

Pharma for range anxiety?

 

Huh?

Many EV drivers have PV on their roof. Some regions have plenty of hydro power. Try putting in zip code 98052 into How clean is the electricity I use? - Power Profiler | Clean Energy | US EPA. You'll see that 46.5 of their electricity comes from hydro.

Also, some choose vehicles that result in lower greenhouse gas emissions. For example, per Compare Side-by-Side, a '13 Prius (under Energy and Environment tab) would produce 3.7 tons of tailpipe and upstream GHGs/year or 222 grams/mile.

From Beyond Tailpipe Emissions: Results, w/95136 zip (close to where I live), a Leaf produces 0 tailpipe emissions and 100 grams/mile of upstream emissions.

And, back to my earlier points, powering a BEV == being powered by domestic sources of energy vs the 45% we import.

 

Why be nice to an ignorant and furious PIP driver?

 

I refer the honourable gentleman to the reply given earlier (immediately before his...)

 

Good point. (Edited for factual, contextual clarity.)

 

At least you guys in CA have laws to fall back on for charge station infractions.
Here we get ICE'd all the time and there's nothing we can do about it other than get frustrated... and the ppl that ICE us have an attitude about it too....

The other day I got an anonymous note (no name, no letterhead, etc..) left on my windshield while I was charging that said the public ChargePoint spot at the county court complex was "not my own private parking spot" and was for public use and I could be "ticketed/towed and charged with theft of electricity" if I continued to charge there every morning- at the public ChargePoint station!
FWIW- I always move my car from that spot every morning as soon as my charge is complete. Every day after I leave he spot is usually occupied by a SUV or ICE car within 5 min of my departure- and they usually stay in the EV charging spot for the remainder of the day till court is out at 4:30pm effectively blocking the spot for EV charging the whole day. And these are the people who leave me notes that I don't "own" the EV charging spot! They would rather have a SUV/car park in the one EV charging spot in town for all day rather than have a EV vehicle charging there for an hour and a half....

A lot of ignorance and petty jealousy out there.....

 

I totally agree that the OP should not have been parking in the space. However, from the pictures posted the parking spaces do not have the correct signage to comply with AB 475. The law requires signage to be posted that reads

“Unauthorized vehicles not connected for electric
charging purposes will be towed away at owner’s expense. Towed
vehicles may be reclaimed at
_______________________________________________or by telephoning
(Address)
____________________________________________________________.”
(Telephone number of local law enforcement agency)

Of course this sign could have been placed at the entrance to the parking lot so it may have been there but I doubt it.