Fully Charged EV Range

Wow, you have to pay $0.30 for electricity? That's triple what we pay. I just double-checked my bill to be sure, and when I divided the gross amound by kWh, it came out to $0.12 kWh.

 

No, I just don't accelerate that rapidly.

 

I looked at my bill the other night, never paid much attention to it....
Looks like I pay .031 per Kwh....Knowing it takes roughly 3 Kwh for full charge, it appears electricity its not as cheap as I thought.

So, im struting around telling people at work my mileage to work is 180 MPG, and the return trip is like 69 MPG (no charger at work). People often ask "how much in electricity", well it looks like its going to cost me at least 30.00 p/ month, BUT I have already saved 60.00 in gas, and I still have more than half a tank. My goal is to save enough in gas for the car payment, less the electricity.

Anyway, the car is amazing, my neighbors are in shock that their is an electric car on the street.... We do not have many in Massachusettts.....

 

There are more of us (PHEV / EV owners in MA), than you might realize, myself, bisco, you, and those are just PHEV owners.. On the MNL forum, there are at least 4-6 Leaf owners as well, not sure how many Volt owners, but they have sold many, many Volts in MA as well.

FYI, New England Leaf thread at MNL: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=4713

I am still impressed with the PiP, I was almost going to pass on it and wait for a 2013 Leaf (with the larger 6.6KW on board charger), or perhaps wait until 2014 when a 240 mile Tesla Model S might be available around here (if ever..). Glad I didn't wait, as at least half my mileage will be in EV, and that's "good enough" for now

FYI, I am paying about .16/KWH with National Grid, I have an alternative energy supplier at .081/KWH, then you add in the delivery charges, billing charges etc, and the overall average is .16

 

.031= 3.1cents per Kwh
0.31= 31 cents per Kwh
If you're paying 3.1 cents per Kwh... that's a great deal, if you're paying 31 cents per Kwh- then you're even higher than Long Island rates (about 23 cents per Kwh once delivery and surcharges are factored in)

Even if your electric rates are high- you're still saving more than the standard non-plug in Prius owners on short trips. What I didn't realize till I actually owned the standard Prius is the generally poor mpg it gets for the first few miles driven till the ICE warms up and can cycle on and off. Once warmed up- it's not impossible to get high 40's to even low 50's MPG with pulse-N-glide on short trips. But the initial 3+ mile warm up period is probably more like in the mid 20's MPG range and really kills short trip MPG. Now add in cold weather and the warm up phase is even longer which brings short trip MPG down even more.

I wish I had known this information before purchasing my Prius Five, because I used the standard 50mpg (once warmed up) figure to compare fuel costs between the PIP and std Prius for my weekend errand runs, not the true 20 something MPG real world figure the standard Prius gets on short 3mi trips.
Not saying 100% certain that it would have made me go with the PIP instead of the Five- because I only run short trips on weekends- but it would have made me think a little harder on which Prius actually suited my needs better.

 

OK, now that you mention it, I did see a few zero's. Like I said, i did not pay much attention to it before. I will look at the bill later, and repost. Yes, it is possible I am an idiot.....

Mike

 

we're sox fans, we're all idiot's!

 

The bills can be very deceiving- but its very easy to get the real world price...
Just take the total amount of the new charges (not including any past due amounts) and divide by your total kilowatt consumption. That's it... that's your real world electric rate.

If you try to decipher the tiered rates keyed to usage- that's just not helpful in getting an overall rate picture.
According to my electric bill I'm only paying from 11 cents to 16 cents per Kwh. But there's delivery charges, fuel surcharges, seasonal adjustment surcharges, etc, etc, etc... Bottom line is when I divide my new total charges by my total Kwh used it comes out to around 23 cents per Kwh... not the 11-16 cents per Kwh shown on the invoice.

 

11.7 estimate displayed today.

14.1 miles EV actually traveled.

That's the same EV distance as yesterday, despite the first 8 miles being a totally different route.

 

I have had my Plug-in Prius since early March. When I first started charging it (using a 120-volt outlet) I'm pretty sure that it showed an all-EV range of 10.7 miles. That figure has been steadily decreasing with each overnight re-charge. The most recent figure was a projected EV range of only 10.0 miles. I wonder if something might be going wrong with my car?

I usually drive my Plug-in with the A/C off and the fan on. I should have realized that having the fan on uses electricity and reduces the range, although I'm not thrilled about the prospect of driving without the fan on. If I recharge it with the fan off, will that result in showing a higher estimated EV range?

To maximize the EV range, I tend to switch to EV mode when I'm driving on relatively low speed city streets and then switch to hybrid mode on the freeways here in San Diego. Otherwise, the car uses up its EV range very quickly.

 

I drove home one day with the fan on the whole way (3 "bars") and AC on for about half my commute. Although my drive home is riddled with stop lights and sometimes with some street-level congestion, I estimate I lost about 0.25 to 0.5 miles of EV range.

If you turn the fan on at ALL, your estimated EV range will drop (I believe its by a percentage.. somewhere around 8-10%). If you turn up the fan or turn on AC, the estimated decrease in EV miles does not change. So I think the estimated drop is a worst-case scenario. If you drive with the fan and AC on full blast, then yes, you may lose 1-1.5 miles, or whatever it said you would lose.

 

My driving patterns, and thus my fuel economy, vary quite a bit. For example, I've recently driven from San Diego to Fontana twice for the NASCAR races, and from San Diego to Long Beach three times for the IndyCar races. On one of the Fontana trips it was raining really hard on the return trip. I would say my fuel economy for these trips, combined, probably is around 55 MPG.

When I'm not making long trips on the freeway, I tend to make local trips that are about 1/4 to half of their distance using EV only. For these I seem to be getting around 60 MPG, give or take a little.

Oh, and one other thing. At the first few fill-ups I actually calculated my fuel economy based on miles driven and gas used. By doing so I discovered that my cars MPG numbers are overly optimistic by at least 1 MPG and sometimes closer to 2 MPG. Is that common or should I have the car checked?

 

JRW,

I'm confused by this paragraph. Were you refering to 60 MPGe? When I use EV only, I get 999 MPG.

 

mileage on the display has always been optimistic by 2-5% on all toyota vehicles.

 

Earlier on, though, I thought that people were saying that the PiP seemed to be somewhat better than the previous versions of the Prius.

 

could be, but i don't think he needs to have his car looked at for 1-2 mpg difference. can also be that it doesn't fill up to the same spot every time.

 

OK, looked at the bill, and it is .0031, or 3 cents per KWh. There are other charges, so to me it looks like I am paying around 5-6 cents per KWh, or 15 to 20 cents per charge.

Gas bill looks easier to read

 

that sounds really low mike. we're at .16/kwh up in the metrowest.

 

+1 I am around .16/KWH in Randolph, on National Grid