Fraudulent HOV Green sticker prius spotted

Sigh. Based on if it's not a Toyota-manufactured Plug-In, it doesn't qualify. Period.
Oh, I guess he could have converted the Prius to run on propane or LPG?

 

Or he could have just applied even though he only has a regular hybrid Prius and the DMV sent him stickers (yes, it has happened.. and yes, it is documented here somewhere)

 

I talked to a guy with a regular Prius with HOV stickers in CA. He said he just applied and they sent it to him. A cop did warn him(when at the police station for another matter) that they could ticket him for just having in on this car even if he wasn't in an HOV lane.

 

Just because the DMV erroneously sent stickers (if that's indeed what the case is with the subject vehicle) doesn't change the fact that the car is unequivocally ineligible for HOV stickers.

 

Shouldn't those be getting white stickers, not green?

 

I was being facetious.

 

I agree.. just pointing out that the most likely explanation is probably the correct one because it has happened and probably happens a lot more than most of us think. I think most of the people who applied with an ineligible car/VIN knew they weren't eligible.

 

Just to be clear, I wasn't referring to the most likely situation is. That's pretty obvious.

I was referring to a situation where, based solely on what is can be known from the photo itself (because you don't know anything about how the car may have been modified underneath nor do we know to what extent the owner may have gone to meet the impractically long and cost-prohibitive restrictions for meeting ARB conversion guidelines), that it is possible for SOME kind of conversion to qualify for SOME kind of sticker. There's a guy who's putting an entire LS1 engine into a Prius body.

Is it *likely*? No. That's not the point. Unless you have personally seen this car, and popped the hood and seen its engine compartment, how do you know what has or hasn't been done to it? You don't.

 

Occam's Razor. And I know there is no other rational explanation because after-market conversions, other to ALTERNATIVE FUELS, do not qualify for HOV access. If you can find me one post-market converted Prius that got HOV stickers, I'll shut up. Otherwise, this conversation isn't helpful.

 

... no. Based on what you posted, you found one or a few examples of attempts that failed (because the guys didn't want to go through the difficulty and expense of the certification process). That's confirmation bias.

I don't dispute what the most likely explanation is (he may also have had a family member with a plug-in--I'm finding my family in a similar situation). I'm saying your reasoning is flawed and doesn't support your claim that you KNOW he can't get one. What if he's one of those nutjobs who DID convert to alternative fuel, and/or got it certified by the ARB and has such a letter?

And no, I wouldn't continue to harp on this if you didn't keep insisting on making conclusions based on uncertainties.

As a note: Occam's Razor states the simplest explanation is usually the correct one (not always).

 

But DMV will know.

The sticker is the wrong color for an alternate fuel conversion, so that is ruled out.

It could be a plug-in conversion, with a concealed plug. If that is the case, and properly certified, then DMV should have no difficulty dismissing the anonymous tip.

 

Yup, and they're the ones who can also do something about it.

 

Sigh^2.

What models will qualify?
Qualifying vehicles will be posted to this web page. In general, vehicles with the potential of meeting the Enhanced AT PZEV requirement include plug-in hybrid (PHEV) and hydrogen internal combustion engine (hydrogen ICE) vehicles. In order to be certified as an Enhanced AT PZEV, PHEVs and hydrogen ICE vehicles must:​

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• Meet California's most stringent tailpipe emission standard
• Have zero evaporative emissions
• Have a 15 yr/150K mile warranty on the emissions system and;
• Have a 10 yr/150K warranty on the zero emission energy storage system.

Not all PHEV and hydrogen ICE vehicles will meet these requirements.​

http://arb.ca.gov/msprog/zevprog/factsheets/clean_vehicle_incentives.pdf
Please find any conversion shop that will extend their warranties to that extent. Drawing conclusions from uncertainties seems to be what you're doing.
I'm showing you the law, in black and white. I'm asking you to show ONE site on the Internet where a plug-in conversion qualified for a green HOV sticker.
This is becoming one of those threads trying to prove or disprove God exists. In other words, folly.
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For a guy who's such a good reader, you completely missed my point. Multiple times. I never made any conclusions.

Read my actual words:

You said:

which I did not understand. When you said "I see nothing about a Plug in Hybrid conversion", do you mean a conversion TO a plug-in hybrid? If it was converted, how would you know it was to a plug in and not something else? Nothing about the picture seems to indicate that, if a conversion was done, what kind it might have been.

Thank you. I didn't see this stated anywhere, hence my original speculation.

Also, where does it state (successful) conversions would all be white decals? Nothing in the application or their literature seems to indicate what color conversions would get. Aren't there natural gas conversions?

 

Alternative fueled vehicles get the white stickers for natural gas, etc along with pure electrics.

 

Really? Huh. I would've expected natural gas to leave trace amounts of emissions.

 

They do, but they're supposedly much cleaner burning than gasoline powered vehicles.

And, from picking a random zip code in your city, How clean is the electricity I use? - Power Profiler | Clean Energy | US EPA says ~50% of the electricity in your (and my) region come from natural gas.

How does electricity affect the environment? | Clean Energy | US EPA is also insightful.

 

Not sure if this is fraudulent or not. The plate shows that it was bought in Nov 2013. Not sure if Accord PHEV was available back then or not.

 

Eligible Vehicles - Single Occupant Carpool Lane Use Stickers

2014 Model Year Vehicles
Honda Accord Plug-in Hybrid TZEV* Plug-in Hybrid 2.0 EHNXV02.03H2

I believe 2014 year models are available for purchase by that point in time during the prior calendar year.

 

There was an Accord PHEV back then, yes. By the way, if you spot a Prius Persona Series with green HOV stickers, that's an old manager here. I have no idea were the heck he got HOV stickers but he may be the one you see in a white car running around with green stickers that isn't a plugin. Incidentally, look for the plug door. I have sold two dark gray PHEVs to folks in the entertainment industry who have replaced the lighter plastic chrome-look panels to dark gray to match their cars. FYI.