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I missed on Amazon too. I knew online shopping would be a big thing in the 90s when shopping online barely started...

REVVL V+ 5G ?

 

this thread aged well...

 

This thread did not age well, 2 minutes after it was posted

 

it was the 2 usual detracting suspects. Wow - it was some 2¼ yrs ago they began throwing that mud around. time flies .

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The IIHS seems to be at least 'less bad' but the NHTSA continues to have problems:
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2022/INLM-EA22002-91174P.pdf

Recently, NHTSA became aware that Tesla has introduced an Autopilot configuration that, when enabled, allows drivers using Autopilot to operate their vehicles for extended periods without Autopilot prompting the driver to apply torque to the steering wheel.

NHTSA is concerned that this feature was introduced to consumer vehicles and, now that the existence of this feature is known to the public, more drivers may attempt to activate it. The resulting relaxation of controls designed to ensure that the driver remain engaged in the dynamic driving task could lead to greater driver inattention and failure of the driver to properly supervise Autopilot.

You must respond in full to the requests in the enclosed Special Order by August 25, 2023. If you do not timely, accurately, or completely respond to the Requests in the Special Order, you may be subject to civil penalties of up to $26,315 per day.​

Bob Wilson

 

If I were that worse, I'd be running 4 minute miles and extremely popular with the ladies.

Bob Wilson

 

Musk has had a lot of luck, paypal, etc, and money seems to make him happy. Give me 10 million and I wouldn’t want more, really it isn’t interesting anymore, even at less than that amount let alone x billions. Just enough for a steady safe fixed income with no debts. No fancy things. Some people like Musk and some other well knowns, all they think about is money and power. Then its kaput one day just like someone who has never owned a pair of shoes. Nothing will stop the kaput.

 

That reminds me of Diana Shore's song:

Sweet Violets
Sweeter than the roses
Covered all over from head to toe
Covered all over with sweet violets

There once was a farmer who took a young miss
In back of the barn where he gave her a lecture
On horses and chickens and eggs
And told her that she had such beautiful
Manners that suited a girl of her charms
A girl that he wanted to take in his
Washing and ironing and then if she did
They could get married and raise lots of

Sweet violets
Sweeter than the roses
Covered all over from head to toe
Covered all over with sweet violets

The girl told the farmer that he'd better stop
And she call her father and he called a
Taxi and got there before very long
'Cause some one was doin' his little girl
Right for a change and so that's why he said
If you marry her son, you're better off single
'Cause it's always been my belief
Marriage will bring a man nothing but

Sweet Violets
Sweeter than the roses
Covered all over from head to toe
Covered all over with sweet violets

The farmer decided he wed anyway
And started in planning for his wedding
Suit which he purchased for only one buck
But then he found out he was just out of
Money and so he got left in the lurch
A standin' and waitin' in front of the
End of the story which just goes to show
All a girl wants from a man is his

Sweet Violets
Sweeter than the roses
Covered all over from head to toe
Covered all over with sweet violets
Sweet Violets​

Fortunately, we don't have to worry about your driving with Autopilot or FSD. Meanwhile, I have deferred maintenance to complete.

Bob Wilson

 

Well you have some helpers:


Just curious, do you have a more promising automated driving system example?

Do you think driving must be manual?

Bob Wilson

 

I can confirm that a 2024 Toyota’s lane keep assist is nearly useless and very dangerous

 

How long have you been driving cars with lanekeepers?

The 2023 Toyota I was renting through yesterday was annoying in a couple of situations, but over time I have learned how to get used to these lanekeepers. It wound up not being that big of a deal.

Our Prius doesn't steer, it just beeps when it thinks you aren't steering right. Our Mazda will buzz and tug the wheel. The Corolla I rented last week would lightly steer the way it wanted. So, all different, but all easy to override and just drive.

 

If I had a $1 for every Consumer Reports article that bagged on the Prius ..... never mind some of the ridiculous conclusions of appliances, Electronics, etc. Often hit & miss.
When they correct their opinions they seldom explain their prior erroneous conclusions.
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Tesla Model Y reaches the most popular vehicle in the world in the first half of 2023.
Tesla is roughly as profitable as Toyota is in 2022, even though they sold far fewer units.
Tesla has the highest safety ratings in a variety of tests.

If that is failure, I’d like some please.

 

Good, I wanted to make sure we at least agree on similar goals.

I have little to no 'hands on' experience with those other systems but regularly use current versions of Autopilot and Full Self Driving (FSD) both highway and city which are not limited to previously mapped highways. There are some rough areas which I've learned to recognize and compensate. But a large percentage of my Tesla 115,000 miles have been using them and my default is drive with them on because it is safer than manual driving.

I don't have experience with "Toyota Safety Sense 3.0" but my former 2017 Prius Prime had Toyota Safety Sense and lane keeping assist was definitely inferior. So much so that it was part of my reasons for trading in the Prime for the Model 3. Not restricted to certain trims like the 2010 Prius, in March 2019 I had to pay $1,500 for Autopilot that is universal for any new Teslas. After three weeks of testing to build confidence, Autopilot paid for itself two months later when I had a medical problem. Inspired, I paid $6,000 for Full Self Driving six months later.

I've petty well seen every version of both Autopilot and FSD along with their rough spots and improvements such as dropping the built-in radar. A work in progress, they are still better than not having them. As for the non-Tesla systems, I'm glad they have fans but after my hands-on with the 2017 Prime TSSP, I would not go back.

Bob Wilson

 

@Gokhan Musk may be a raging jerk massively overdue for some finding-out, but he isn't the product, or the process, or even the inspiration at this point.

The fact that Tesla is doing so well in spite of Musk is a bit... informative for me.

 

when ridiculous & oppositional viewpoints are effectively counterd .... the erroneous viewpoint advocate will switch to deflection.
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