Here is the Mulroney Sticker for a Prime. There should have been one on your car. It predicts you will average 25 miles. So do I, over a calendar year. (It is an EPA test run to EPA standards. Toyota is not allowed to post any other MPG except in finer print that the EPA results.)
Yeah, unfortunately i've never bought a new car before. I listened to the salesman stats he gave me as bond. Now i know better. I never saw this sticker until after i signed and received the car. I test drove the one they have set aside for test drives, so no sticker there. I definitely know for next time. Thank you!
welcome! ev range is based on many factors. on the epa test, it gets 25 miles. your range will depend on acceleration, speed, topography, ambient temp hvac use, and etc. try a 30 mph route with hvac off and see how far she goes
Assume that nothing he told you is true. (He is not a Toyota employee, and they do not stand behind anything he says, he works for the dealership, not Toyota Motor Sales USA or the Toyota Motor Company in Japan)
I'd like to see the look on the salesman's face when you bring the car back for a refund. If you need more range, consider a Honda Clarity or Chevy Volt.
They like EPA numbers that are posted on window stickers. They say the government did it and you can't blame or sue them for false advertising.
Temperature down to a single digit, my PRIME's EV range dipped to below 20 miles. Now I can only do one-way commute on EV. My plan is to charge every night, run only HV in morning commute to work (use ICE to heat and defrost) and save battery charge for the return home in the afternoon all EV. The only caveat is that the full charge cost me $1.20 for ~20 miles EV drive vs $2.30/gal gas for ~46 miles of pure HV drive now. $0.06/mile for EV vs $0.05/mile for HV. It is cheaper to run HV only for now. Bummer!
Well at least you’re getting heat out of it as well. The benefit of a PHEV - choose the power source you want.
Yup. Last December I had to start up in HV mode for 10 days, and several in January as well. Hasn't got to single digits here yet, but it will. That's just the way it is with PHEV's. At least we can use the gas if needed.
Bought my Prime in June 2018. Got 37.7 miles between the temperature of 76F-100F. Charging dropped to 30 miles last week in L.A. when temperature was 48F. But the weather this morning was 58F so my battery is back to 31.2 Posted via the PriusChat mobile app.
Have a coworker who drives a Tesla. He claims to lose up to 40% of his EV range during the winter, so I'm not surprised that I'm not getting a full 25 miles on a charge right now. However, with the regular mpg over 50, I don't feel too bad having to use the engine a bit.
40% seems like a lot. He/She must be using the heater aggressively. The difference in heater use affects all EVs - In one of the Prime threads, we see it can mean a 10km commute could use 56% or 25% of the battery depending on heater use.
Suggest to him that preconditioning works. The car is warmed up and battery peaked while tied to the grid. Just hold the "A/C" button on the key fob for about 3-5 seconds within range of the car about 20-30 minutes before leaving. I just do it closest to the driveway. Bob Wilson
Isn't it true that the Tesla uses old fashioned inefficient resistive heating, as opposed to the very efficient heat pump in the Prime?
Heat pumps aren't the no-brainer people think they are. Tesla obviously doesn't think they have enough value.
True, but I wouldn't put much stock in the fact that Tesla choose them over heatpumps. When your building something from scratch, sometimes you use off-the-shelf items, not because they are the best choice, but because they are easy and quick to acquire. Brainpower is a finite resource in design, such that you don't want to waste engineering time on optimizing something that has an acceptable already available alternative. I wouldn't be surprised if they switched to heatpumps in the future.
