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Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by tochatihu, Oct 22, 2015.

  1. fuzzy1

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    I.e. we know that it will disappear within 45-50 years from initial spill? :confused:
     
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    An earlier study of the incident suggested that the cleanup (high pressure steam guns to wash the rocks) actually caused more harm than if they'd done nothing.

    I'm not suggesting that the right course of action would have been to do nothing, but rather just to point out that

    a) more research is needed
    b) despite all the problems and lack of preparation...

    ...Alaska was (then) one of the best-prepared sites to have an oil spill. And it's gotten better since then.
     
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    The bottom line ... outside of the previous spills ... is that we don't need any offshore drilling.
     
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    Gulf of Mexico bacteria did a pretty good job on the Deepwater oil suspended in the water. Not sure about the sea bed but I suspect debris has already put a layer over it.

    Perhaps some gene-splicing of cold water bacteria might lead to improved oil clean-up for the Arctic spills and blowouts.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Some would freak out over that suggestion.

    The hurdle I see is the temperature. Microbial life takes a slower pace in the artic than in the tropics. Oil eating bacteria, and there may already be some up there, aren't likely to be fast consumers.
     
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    The Gulf is a naturally oil-rich environment, from the zillions of natural small and slow oil seeps. Thus, it has developed a decent supply of these natural oil consumers. The coast off Los Angeles would be somewhat similar. Not good for giant acute incidents, but reasonable for small chronic dispersed flows.

    Most Arctic areas don't have anywhere near as much natural oil, so there is a much smaller base (if any) of these natural oil eaters.
    As Trollbait mentions, I suspect ambient temperature is also a major factor. Plus, releasing even more GM varieties into the wild will be a massive political football.
     
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    nope, and idk anyone who does. waste of time and energy.:cool:
     
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    empire state building, that's rich. the rest of the year, they waste more energy than the nation as a whole.
     
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    Earth Hour 2019 - the first step towards making nature matter

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    Impact Beyond the Hour

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    When nature thrives, so do we

    Did you know that globally, nature provides services worth around $125 trillion a year? :O As we go about our daily lives, it’s easy to forget that we depend on nature for every single thing! From the very air we’re breathing right now, to the food we love, and the water we drink to quench our thirst, we simply can’t survive without nature and all that it provides.

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    Nobody asked, but I mention a concept called Q10. It refers to how much faster a reaction goes at 10 oC higher temperature. For Biological reactions Q10 is often about 2.3.

    Valdez surface waters are about 20 oC cooler than Gulf of Mexico surface, and a few degrees cooler than GoM depths.

    'Oil-eating' bacteria might be genetically tunable but Q10 persists.

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    It is interesting to consider genetics involved, and yes there is a link:

    Genetic potential of oil-eating bacteria from the BP oil spill decoded
     
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    actually, i was hoping you would bring that up
     
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    I take it then, that you are not interested in how to plot experimental data such that the slope is Q10. Or for that matter, how to analyze enzyme kinetics in general?

    Here[s a Al-Gore-sized sigh for you.
     
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    oh contrare, much more interesting than turning my lights off for an hour a year
     
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    tochatihu Senior Member

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    Ecosystem services @792. How to people calculate/estimate those, anyway?

    ScienceDirect

    Entire books written about this, including some not authored by Bob Costanza :)
     
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    Just one hour a year? Eff that, it would be a serious step backwards for me.

    Help astronomy (amateurs included) and the environment vastly more by turning off or shielding your outdoor lights 4000 hours per year, or converting to proper ergonomic (and greatly energy saving) outdoor lights that don't waste light upwards and glaringly direct into people's eyes.

    International Dark-Sky Association


    International Dark Sky Week: March 31 - April 7
     
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    you mean george costanza, or bob costas?