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Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by tochatihu, Oct 22, 2015.

  1. bwilson4web

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    The Boeing 737 is in serious need of a replacement:
    • fly by wire to replace hydraulics
    • composites to reduce airframe weight
    • aero tweaks to reduce drag
    This is an opportunity for Airbus and Lockheed-Martin. I don't rule out Japan, Korea, China, Russia, or India. An efficient, 737 jet replacement is a tight but open opportunity.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Agreed. The more I read, the more Boeing sounds like Microsoft
     
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    Butt the faa needs an overhaul, and new designs need to be evaluated instead of fast tracking old planes with new systems
     
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    Read that this morning, should make things extra interesting
     
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    Boeing is still promising a quick software fix and back in the sky.

    Anyone who thinks expedience and profits are the priority here are welcome to be the first passengers.

    If I were running an airline, I’d be having serious talks with airbus, and my lawyers would be having serious talks with boeing
     
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    I understand Airbus may stop production.
     
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    euro ch. 11?
     
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    the 380 seems to be lackluster demand. the 320 headline is a mistake?
     
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    Yeah there's a typo. The A320neo is a strong seller and is only going to get better while Boeing researches new ways to double down on their mistakes.

    In my mind, it would be more appropriate for Boeing to go out and rent 350 or so older planes to give to their customers immediately, pay the difference in the operating costs until the FAA is ready to roll on a vastly deeper inspection & certification program.

    I fly a lot for business. I want good safe planes.

    Boeing spent decades building a reputation for safety, and now that's toast. Their shareholders will be clamoring for them to get back into that position of high regard, so I think they would be very open to an intense regulatory regime that lets them re-start sales and deliveries within a year, assuming the certification finds nothing lacking.
     
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    when i go pick up extra picnic tables or a stump grinder at U-Haul or Abby rents, i've never seen that many 777's. They must be out back

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    You mean 737s. Maybe if you tried getting your stump grinder at ILFC you'd see 'em. On the other hand they might think that by 'stump grinder' you mean a new 737MAX, so check carefully.
     
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    Boeing 737 types before the MAXes total about 10,000 delivered airplanes. Some of those are been retired but I don't know where to find that #. So far about 370 MAXes have been delivered, with all those currently grounded and so other equipment needs to be swapped in.

    Across all airlines this should be manageable. There may be a few airlines with MAXes but few other planes that are at least for now, SOL.

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    Best worst case for Boeing is that orders for MAXes get turned into orders for -700s, -800s and -900s. Whether order contracts allow for that, do not know. It would hang on whether current investigation (and follow-ons) conclude that Boeing is OK to hang those bigger engines on MAXes.
     
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    Just giving all MAX owners free 'AoA disagree' indicator lights, and appropriate training for MCAS (newly revised software there) would seem to be the best best case scenario for Boeing.

    At some point I'd expect Airbus to complain about that. Not necessarily in public. But they (pay more to) have all flight-critical sensors triplicated. Excusing Boeing from that cost and effort doen't seem fair.
     
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    Week ago Friday had large student marches in many countries, asking govts to get more aggressive about CO2 vs climate

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-00861-z

    Was not a big thing in USA (nor a few other large countries :) ) so maybe ya missed it. Not mentioned in that coverage is 16-yr-old Swedish student Greta Thunberg, a leader in Euro marches, is nominated for Nobel Peace Prize.

    I reckon 'Reporters without Borders' has a better shot this year, with Khashoggi departed (parted out?). But those Nobel pickers don't drop clues...
     
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    777 and 787 have these. A little bit of fly-by-wire was added in the 737MAX.

    I thought that this happens with nearly every revision.

    A320neo was actually ahead of the 737MAX. Boeing was playing catchup.
     
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    are american college students still socially conscious? seems all they want is to get into the best schools that will get them the most money
     
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    'garuda airlines looks to cancel 737 orders', 'our people have lost confidence'.

    further down the rabbit hole, ny times: 'documents show boeing fell way behind airbus, and expedited a 737 update at the expense of safety to avoid losing a large order. instead of a new plane which might take ten years, they redesigned the 737 in 3 months.'
     
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    Next up: Who is the "they" in the above statement? I'd love to see someone with journalistic resources tug at that thread. Boeing has been outsourcing quite a lot of the business of building airplanes.

    Some of it is real outsourcing, contracts with other companies. Some of it isn't quite the same, as in the case of their Moscow design department.

    They've been doing some level of contracting forever, but I have a vague sense that they've promoted it to the point where that's how most of their planes get built. I'd love to learn more on that topic.
     
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