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Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by tochatihu, Oct 22, 2015.

  1. bisco

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    Ugh, glad it’s not near me
     
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    Maybe your electric rates would be reasonable with it.
     
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    maybe, but money can't buy happiness
     
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    happiness doesn't take carbon out of the air.
     
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    nukular waste and radiation poisoning are poor alternatives
     
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    So what is the practical alternative in the near term?

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    i have no idea, that's up to the scientists. but the fact that i don't know (as an uneducated laymen) doesn't make nucular energy safe.
    it will always be so with human beings.
     
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    Fear usually causes poor decisions. Everything has risks.

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    so does ignoring the obvious
     
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    The US generates about 2000 metric tons of spent nuclear fuel every year. About 88,230 cu.ft. Much of what is going into nuclear waste storage facilities is low-level waste. Much of it doesn't come from nuclear power plants. It is from other industries, research, and medicine. The annual amount varies, but ranges from 1 to 5 million cubic feet.

    Managing the spent fuel is an easier job. Which isn't even waste. If people weren't afraid of it, it could be reprocessed into more fuel.
    5 Fast Facts about Spent Nuclear Fuel | Department of Energy
    https://www.nrc.gov/waste/llw-disposal/licensing/statistics.html

    How many of the public have been medically poisoned by the nuclear power industry? Living within 50 miles of a coal plant is a higher radiation exposure than living next to a nuclear plant. People increase their exposure by taking a flight. I'm more worried about radon in my basement than the nuclear plants in the region, and one of those in TMI.
    If it's obvious, where's the evidence?
     
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    And there is;
    Deepwater Horizon oil spill | Summary, Effects, Cause, Clean Up, & Facts | Britannica

    The Love Canal Tragedy | About EPA | US EPA

    https://appvoices.org/coalash/disasters/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Carbide_India_Limited

    Whee is the evidence that nuclear power is a greater threat than other human industry? Has greater environmental impact than global warming?

    Oh, if you are worried about hot water, you should be calling for an end to fracking. The waste water coming out of those wells is radio active enough that it should be treated as nuclear waste. It isn't. Some was ending up sprayed on roads for ice melt.
     
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    These are like using the disasters of the worst ancient Soviet airliners as evidence why you shouldn't fly on any airplane anywhere, not even modern U.S. and European commercial airliners.

    ... or on discount airlines flying western 1960s aircraft, predating the very first 737s and 747s.
     
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    You're going to be building new power plants in your backyard anyways, might as well build some modern ones. That way the next generation can have good paying jobs operating it and doing the cleanup afterwards.

    This may read like a facetious response, but I'm 100% serious.
     
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    So, the logic is like ... nuclear plants are OK because it is safe and it produces clean energy, but the nuclear bomb is not because it kills people? Well... that's like saying the people of Fukushima and Chornobyl did not suffer as bad as the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I just don't buy that argument.
     
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    Maybe it's more like asking to compare the amount of suffering and mortality at Fukushima and Chernobyl to the amount of suffering and mortality we've been accepting for decades from alternative power sources. We haven't got the luxury of comparing something to nothing.
     
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    The fire bombing of Dresden and Tokyo were about as brutal. The bombs were fueled petroleum products. Billions come into contact with such everyday without suffering horrible death.