Enginer PHEV Technical Information

then you life in a expensif part of the netherlands haha
i see those pricing ( 1,55 ) not even on the highway and you call it cheap at a self service station.?
maybe because there are just a few petrol stations where you life?

the waranty is a problem.
if i am reaading this correctly here on this site in the us i think its better where toyota needs to prove that adjustments you made to the car damaged the car itself and therefor the waranty is no longer aplicable.

in europe toyota would say it would drop waranty rights when you place a kit like this in place.
on the other hand i dont think it would damage anything if used correctly.
but the warranty would only be effected on the battery and electric motor and inverter parts and not the rest of the car.

i do not know of anything like this did already happen in europe.

 

Thanks FWD. That was on September 9th. Today only € 1.31 per liter, day rates I live in Friesland, supposed to be one of cheapest parts of the country.

I studied a little Dutch Consumer Rights in the past and compared to the ‘Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act’ in the US, there are a lot of similarities conserning warrenties. In some aspects the dutch consumer seem protected even more.
It basically comes down to this: If Toyoto refuses to enforce the promises they made as stated in the warranty because of a modification, they will have to provide proof that the modification has caused this specific defect. Rule of thumb: he who claims, provides proof of that claim. (‘Wie stelt bewijst’) That is a very powerful tool that protects consumers.
Problem is this: What if they refuse to repair and don’t want to provide evidence that the modification caused the defect either? Then you will end up in a law suit, nasty business. Eventually the consumer will probably win the case (I can't see how it could damage the system either) but civil lawsuits can drag on for years.

It will take at least 2 years before my factory warranty runs out and I would like to convert it into a PHEV much sooner.
And yes you are absolutely right, the warranty covers the hybrid part only. But what is the definition of that; where does it begin and end? In the worst case the battery/inverter could be damaged but not the electric motor I would hope?

P.S. I noticed your 2.9 l/100km Very good, what modifications did you do?

 

because there is a inverter between the battery and the MG's i dont thing the electric motors can really be damaged beacuse its power is all controlled by the inverter.

i drive a phev that wy i get a low score like that haha
you did not see my comments in other topics?

 

Just remember that the Enginer system is routinely charging the OEM battery up to 80% real SOC. The battery is of course rated for it, though some will say that routine higher SOCs will reduce the lifespan of your battery (Toyota keeps the SOC in the 45% - 75% range to increase lifespan of the battery). The extra current transfer between the batteries will also likely reduce the lifespan of your OEM battery since all batteries have a maximum number of full cycles before they lose capacity. That's really the big thing you should worry about--they probably could prove that the PHEV kit caused an OEM battery failure should one occur.

Unless something goes horribly wrong, the motors and inverters are of course rated for whatever they'll see during normal conditions.

Andrew

 

Hello
I just ordered a 4kw kit from Jack for my 2002 prius

Did anyone find other useful information needed beside what comes with the kit to help with there installation?
Also would like to know is there anyone in the Chicago area interested in the Enginer conversion or already has installed one to share info. I`ve also purchased 2 scangauges to install to help monitor things.

 

This is copy of my email from Jack:
You place 220VAC charger complete in a KIT? Jack:Yes

Yes, I´m going to buy it, later. I almost ordered it, but I found this discussion. Now i have taken time out and waiting results from beta users. I thought that is better wait for a while, than send parts there and back over ocean.
Btw. in Finland we must pay propulsion taxes for using PHEV.

 

what ?? propulsion taxes?? because you have a phev.. what at B*LL
what do you need to pay for amount or %

 

You will find your scanguages very helpful in monitoring real-time parameters (such as state-of-charge, battery Amps, temperatures, RPMs, etc.) as well as for collecting performance stats over time.

As far as installation, you will find lots of info in this forum and the enginer.us web site as well as the installation manual and gallery Enginer - EAA-PHEV (although the latter is for 2004-09). It is recommended that you refer to service manuals for details about disassembly and safe practices. You will of course need tools, such as a drill (metal bits and hole cutter for bumper plug), etc. Use care when tapping ECU wires as well as all other wiring.

Good luck and congrats!

 

Are you sure this is accurate? I have seldom seen the SOC exceed 75% with my 4KWh system. I am using ScanguageII to monitor SOC.

 

Yes indeed! If car is using other fuel than gasoline, we must pay prop.tax. So here they compare PHEVs with Diesels.

Tax formula is;
6,7s x 18 (every 100kg of cars totalmass) x 365 days= 440,19€/year.
(Prius tot. 1725kg)
No depending how much you are driving!

We are trying to change the law, for sure!

 

I don't know if the scangauge will help much on the Gen I Prius. It will report your MPG over 100, but I haven't decoded any of the Gen I CAN messages, so I don't know if SOC and stuff like that will be available to you.

11011011

 

Propulsion tax? I hope that will change for you soon. In the Netherlands we have to pay ‘road-tax’ so the roads can be repaired when needed. For my old Opel Vectra I had to pay € 400,- a year. Hybrid cars have a 75% discount so for the Prius I pay only € 100,- a year. From next January 2010 hybrid cars are completely road-tax free so we don’t have to pay that anymore. Only the gasoline.

But our government has a big national deficit and people keep using less energy. So they will have to find a way to get more income from taxes. Maybe the price of gas will go up again. Right now about 75% of the price of gasoline is tax, so if a liter costs 1,50 that means 1,12 is taxes and the gas itself is only 38 cents.
I hope they don’t introduce ‘propulsion tax’.

I am also waiting for a while Arlei. But this PHEV kit sounds very interesting, I will check this forum regularly. Did Jack also tell you the shipping would be $500 to Europe? So the 4 kWh kit would cost us $3995 now.

 

We pay 35s/day basetax/car=135€/year for roads etz.

About same.

Prices depends of kit and location. Following is my email from Jack:

We can ship to Finland with 220VAC charger. Shipping by air is $400.
1. Is price of air shipping same for DIY, 2kw and 4kw KITs ? ($400)
Jack: DIY is $240, 2KWH is $320, 4KWH is $400

Of course +taxes

 

Yes, alway the taxes....

Just watched on tv. Minister of Economic Affairs, Maria van der Hoeven, presented her Prius Plugin Hybrid on 28 September. The Prius is converted to plugin and can drive up to 70 km/h (45 MPH) on electricity only. Above 70 km/h is functions as a normal hybrid car. It will be used inner city and around The Hague and will be evaluated for a period of 6 months. If the evaluation is positive also other (high rank) civil servants will use plugin Prius as well.

Good that our government sets an example. I am not sure but I think the plugin conversion has been done by GreenMobilty: Toyota Prius Plug-in | Elektrische Auto's | Green Mobility
Probably a lot more expensive than the Enginer kit ....

Floyd

 

well this kit from greenmobility is just one not from the netherlands but the company is just a dealer for.... ( i dont know yet ) i guess someone from the US
because the example picture's shows a gen 2 prius with the 15 inch wheels that is not sold in the EU.

there is als no price?? so lets geuss... high i guess.

then the info stated 6.6kwh pack... and 50 km?? so that about 32 miles..?
well i think thats not really possible in real life situations.

 

You must Google: LTC GAIA (stickers on GM Prius), so you find interesting things..

(sorry about off topics)

 

I don't have a scangauge, but I also almost never see more than 6 bars on the MFD's OEM SOC icon. Even after letting the car sit for 45 minutes with the kit on, it never got to seven bars. (I understand the converter steps down when parked).

I wish the converter charged the oem to 7 bars on occasion. I'd feel I'd get more use of my 4kW mottcells if I could do more slow accelerations in EV mode without pulling the OEM SOC down to 4 bars. I have the coastal EV mod which allows for fairly decent ICE free acceleration rates on flat ground.

On another topic, anyone ever hear your balancers beep when you're just starting out because your cells are balanced?


Topic 3: And I have yet to reach 80% DOD across the whole kit. But I recently saw one cell hit 3.033 V, while the entire other 31 were still at 3.2something. Many of them were probably on the verge of hitting the steep part of the curve.

At that time the green dash switch LED was still lit and the red one was only dimly lit. I stopped driving soon after so I still don't know if the red light would have come on stronger or if the green LED would have turned off. Either way, if the radio is on it's going to be hard to hear the beeps from the balancer. And it's not exactly easy to see the dash LEDs through the steering wheel.

I had gone about 90 km since I charged last before I got close to 80% DOD. I'm please with that. Plus some days I get under 3.5 L/100km but it varies a lot with terrain and distance. Lot of hills in Victoria too.

 

My Enginer 4KWh system is able to achieve the full 8 bars (75% SoC). I've used scanguage to plot the transition points on the MFD against SoC. You can refer to this post for details (http://priuschat.com/forums/prius-p...mpg-reports-important-data-15.html#post975352).

 

Jack suggested that I try measuring the output voltage of my converter and if it wasn't 245 V, that he would have a way to re-program it. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to measure the voltage with my volt-meter.

I suspect I'm not getting as much juice from it as you do from yours, or maybe your terrain is much flatter than mine.

I have the newer 4kWh kit with the case fan.

I might trade in my current converter for a better one next year. Jack hinted there might be one coming.