Down to the Rapture

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TJandGENESIS @ Feb 24 2007, 02:32 AM) [snapback]395727[/snapback]</div>

:lol: :lol:
Sounds like TJGs jelouse that that more people lean towards the Bibles teachings than he does.. I think its funny that You use the GAY card to attempt to get a rise out of any one of us.... After your brief conversation about gays.. But this is also to get anyone thats gay to reply to our replies..



TJG: He believes in God, but views the Holy Bible as a flawed book written by man. TJGs a Street Preacher and he has many friends that are priests/preachers/ministers that believe the same as he does. Im guessing that almost everyone that is of a religous back ground that has read the postings on this thread and wonder "WTH" is up with this guy :huh: . Unless they believe the same teaching as he does.

I wont go into the other reasons tied into the flawed book issue. As Im a slow typist and Id be here all nite... Bottom line, He believes in God!

Ok this is a break down of the main players in this thread: <_<

Windstrings, Priusguy04, Loveit, Fshagen, Wildkow (if I left anyone out sorry) are all God fearing, Bible believers in thier religions. Thus we are wrong for beliving in the teachings from a so called flawed book.

The rest (excluding those who chose not to follow / reply to the thread after it changed directions) are antagonstist of the thread and have found its alot funner to poke fun at the others religious beliefs and call them names ect. just to keep the topic going..

This topic changed road direction from semi-funny to Religion on either pg.2. or pg.3.
Im sure the non-religious sect is getting a big kick out of the thread since it almost ended, buty was fired up again..

 

Ok, so someone please explain this to me...God is a micromanager? When a baby dies, it's god's will. When someone is first tortured by and then finally, after unimaginable pain and anguish for him or her AND associated family/friends, dies--god is being merciful by releasing that individual. When bad people die horribly, it's because it was so ordained by the deity--the same deity that allowed that individual to be bad in the first place. When good people die horribly...it's god's will.

HUH????

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(priusguy04 @ Feb, 03:26 PM) [snapback]396403[/snapback]</div>

Hmmm, I didn't think it was funny from the very first post. I think it's pretty scary to have a wacko religious nut leading the country who frankly looks forward to the end of the world. I'm not laughing.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dragonfly @ Feb 25 2007, 07:05 PM) [snapback]396446[/snapback]</div>

Its hard to understand until you taste heavenly powers and comforts... it makes you realize this time on earth is a temporary delay to your real life.

Its scary to loose the only thing you know.. its exciting to give it up if you have tasted better.
(Eph 1:13 KJV) In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

(Eph 1:14 KJV) Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Having the presence of God in your life is the "down payment" to your real inheritance... just a foretaste.

Now this next part will blow your mind.
Espcially if you have a liberal mind that thinks God is Love and cannot comprehend the weightier sides of God.

(Mat 10:32 KJV) Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
(Mat 10:33 KJV) But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
(Mat 10:34 KJV) Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
(Mat 10:35 KJV) For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
(Mat 10:36 KJV) And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
(Mat 10:37 KJV) He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
(Mat 10:38 KJV) And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
(Mat 10:39 KJV) He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

This is not mean't to be a burden of "works" to make you feel guilty if you don't feel this way or do this way.. it is a state of the heart... if you know God, you will love him far above all others...even those closest to you.. because no one is as close as God.

Its just a fact of heart. Once you meet him one time, you will never be the same and you will never forget him.

 

God has feelings too. The good book says that the death of the saints are precious in the eyes of God.

It was never God's intention that we suffer and die.

But He was merciful in that He placed angels with flaming swords to guard man and woman from eating from the tree of life. He drove them out of the Garden of Eden. If man and woman, in their sinful state, or fallen nature had eaten from this tree of life, it would have been sort of like the movie, "Death Becomes Her".

How would you like to have eaten from the tree of life knowing you had cancer and had to live with cancer forever? Not a pretty picture.

So God in His mercy had a better plan. Jesus died on the cross to give us eternal life. Every last one of us.

It also says that God has set eternity in the heart of man.

It was God's desire that man live forever, and our bodies were so designed to do just that until man disobeyed and ate the forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Man did not believe that God said if he ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, that he would die. Because man did not believe God, his unbelief is called sin.

[The bible tells us that God is not a man that He, (God), would lie.]

[Repentance on the other hand is agreeing with God; agreeing with His written Word the Bible.]

It's like telling a child don't put your hand in the fire because it will burn you, but maybe the kid does it anyway and then suffers the consequences for it.

Likewise, man is suffering the consequences of his disobedience to God's word: death. Death also includes disease, illness, sicknesses, deformities, man's inhumanity to man, and all of that falls under death. Because in the end, that's where it all leads to: death.

It also includes the death of relationships; especially the relationship of man to the Heavenly Father.

The bible tells us that it is our sin, our disbelief in God that has separated us from God.

When man sinned by disobeying or disbelieving God, he took on the nature of the evil one. This is called the sin nature. And so the sin nature is passed on down through the generations, from one to the next.

How can that be? Because it is in man's seed, his sperm, his DNA makeup.

And so man takes on the very nature of the devil, the evil one.

That is why man is so inhumane to others. He can't do the right thing.
And so a man's spirit, or the essence of who he is must be made new, or BORN AGAIN.

Because when man disobeyed God, he stood in agreement with the devil, the evil one, saying that God was a deceiver, and a liar, and all manner of other evil things.

When a man does not stand in agreement with what God says He will do what He says He will do: and that is to save man from his sins by accepting the payment of Christ's blood to be made right again with God, then that man STANDS IN AGREEMENT WITH THE DEVIL.

Well, in a court of law, it takes a testimony and a witness to establish collaboration. Collaboration will stand up in a court of law.

So in this case, the testimony of the unbeliever is saying that God can't do what He says He will do.

The Devil, that ole slew tail, he is the man's witness to what the man says so he stands in agreement with the man, saying: yep, that's right God can't save you, Jesus' blood which was shed on the cross for you can't save you either.

When that happens, the man has judged himself by his own words, and has condemned himself to a spiritual death.The bible calls this spiritual death the second death.

This in essence means that if a man dies physically before he decides that he wants to be BORN AGAIN, or made spiritually new; he will never have another chance to be BORN AGAIN.

Man does not have the option or choice to say that he doesn't want to die physically. It's gonna happen no matter what.

Sometimes, we do ourselves in with the fork, the drink, the smoke, the needle. Other times, others do us in. Still other times, when accidents occur.

But man does have the option to say that he wants to live forever spiritually and to be like God, to have the nature of God. God made man in His image for a reason, and a purpose: to reflect His Glory.

God is good, He is loving, He is kind, and He is merciful. He is not willing that any man perish or be without Him.

Man needs a sinless nature if he is to be like God, and to reflect His glory. But only God has a sinless nature. So how does a man get a sinless nature to be like God and to reflect His glory?

He must be BORN AGAIN.

So with what or how is a man BORN AGAIN?

He is given God's very own spirit to live inside of him.

How can that be?

You might say why doesn't God just do it?

Well, simple. God wants man to be able to decide for himself if that's what he wants.

God is a gentleman. He won't break your arm off and beat you over the head with it, not if He wants to be your friend and have fellowship with you.

God is saying that man can be BORN AGAIN with a sinless nature. This is what Jesus' shed blood on the cross will do for man.

Jesus' shed blood will also give that man eternal life to his spirit even though his body will die.

When this happens a man's spirit has been BORN AGAIN, made new.

When the Lord returns, everyone spirits will rise again from physical death.

Those that have received the new, sinless nature through Jesus shed blood on the cross, will be given new spiritual bodies to go along with their BORN AGAIN spirits. These bodies that won't have any diseases, illnesses, sicknesses in them; and they will be just like Jesus' risen body in nature.

Those who don't, their unregenerate spirits will still live forever but without new spiritual bodies like Jesus' body, and they will be with ole slewfoot and all of his cohorts and it certainly won't be with the Heavenly Father and the believers.

There will be such weeping, gnashing of the teeth, and cries of torment; and it won't be from the Heavenly Father. The Heavenly Father let man make His own choice, and God honors that.

But then you say, well why doesn't God do something about all the stuff that is going on in the world? He did. He sent His Son, Jesus, to show us how to get to heaven to be with the Heavenly Father.


God made a plan. It was His pleasure to crush His Son for us. Jesus exchanged His very own ETERNAL LIFE for all of man's sins. All sin from the beginning of time until the end of time. Anything outside of time is eternity.

That's why the bible says that the only way man can have the nature of God in him is to receive the ETERNAL LIFE of Christ in exchange for all of a person's sins, whomever that person might be. That's a pretty good deal if you ask me.

So what do you need to do? Just agree with the Father that you need to be made new, BORN AGAIN with the life of Christ living inside of him. That's why it is written in the bible, "it is not I that live, but Christ who lives in me."

But when we say: Yes, God, I want you to be a part of me, and help me and guide me in this life on earth. And I want to live with you forever, and so I give Jesus all of my sins, past, present, and future, in exchange for His blood, which He shed on the cross as payment for all of my sins. This, and this alone will satisfy a debt to You which I could never pay.

And so the Holy Spirit, the eternal life of God, is placed in each one of us as PART OF A DOWN PAYMENT of what we will receive in the future to come and that is to live with Him for all eternity where there is no spiritual death for those who receive this gift of eternal life.

The only thing you have to do is believe that God has done what He said He would do, and that is to bring you home to live with Him once your life here on earth comes to an end. Just because your body dies doesn't mean your spirit dies. Either you will have a new spirit living in you a gift from God, or it will be the old one which will never make into heaven.

God said that the only way to do that was to accept for payment for your sins, was to say I believe that Jesus died on the cross to give me eternal life.

Then find a bible believing church, get baptized and study God's word.

God wants us to live as overcomers in the world; and He wants us to have peace in knowing that we will be with Him when it is our time to die.


666

What is the mark of the believer? He is sealed with the Holy Spirit when he receives Jesus as Lord and Savior.

What is the mark of the unbeliever? 666

The first 6 stands for the number of a man. It stands for the mind of the man who gives God no thought at all. It is the mind of a man who is not made new.

The second 6. The number two has significance in that it represents the witness and the testimony. The second six is the man standing in agreement with the devil saying that God cannot do what He says He will do, and that is to save man from his sin's through the shed blood of Jesus Christ on the cross.

The third 6. The number 3 means that a three fold chord will not be easily broken. That it is binding. And so with the third six the man had made his belief binding and irrevocable in that he has judged himself by his own words, and finds himself condemned.

This is why the bible says, when you come to the Lord's Supper or Communion, and it says do this in remembrance of me, it means that every time you drink and eat the body and the blood of Christ, you are standing in agreement with the Heavenly Father that He will do what He says He will do: that the shed blood of Jesus Christ on the cross will save you from your sins and give you eternal life with Him.

Now is the day of salvation. Make a decision for Christ if you want peace that surpasses all understanding, and eternal life with the Father.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Rufaro @ Feb 25 2007, 06:23 PM) [snapback]396430[/snapback]</div>

God is a micro lover... not manager.... He allows things to get out of control because he is so big, he still can use evil for Good and make chaos and tools fashioned from the Devil and turn them against him.

Without pain, you would never know comforts,
Without disease, you would never know health.
Without hate, you would never understand love.

God is not the "author of confusion, hate or evil".
(1 Cor 14:33 KJV) For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

(Eph 2:2 KJV) Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
(Eph 2:3 KJV) Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
(Eph 2:4 KJV) But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
(Eph 2:5 KJV) Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

We are being made examples to all of creation.. through our weaknesses, Gods strength is made known.
God made us for his pleasure to love and to cherish..... many are the children of disobedience and others are lost and know not at what they stumble.

People want spiritual pornography... they want eden with sin, they want the benifits of God and his protection but dont' want him.
They want to be independent and eat of the tree of knowledge as to not need or depend on God.

God is not a cruel taskmaster, he is not a slavedriver, He is a Father, a lover, and comforter, a brother, the prince of peace.....

There are many Good people that befall evil.. that doesn't mean it was the "will of God" for it to happen.
And those "good People" were not necessarily listening to God and in his will.
Not every one that does good works and are "good men" will enter into the kingdom, but those who do his will. God is the boss.. not us..
We want to do as we will, and then buy God by doing a good work to win back our good standing.
Obedience is better than sacrific.
(1 Sam 15:22 KJV) And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
(1 Sam 15:23 KJV) For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.


God limits the amount of evil that can befall you if your his children, because he promised he would always make an escape from temptation and never place more than you could bear.

If God was to remove all his protection from the earth, the devil would destroy it in a moment, but he is limited by God... in these last days he will be given more power..... but as sin abounds, grace abounds the more.. the comes the end when he will be bound.

Serving God is not a rose garden.. its warfare, but with victory... even as david who slew Golieth... serving God is an adventure in the supernatural with life an peace and victory over sin.

If the world has not accepted Jesus and evil is still in this world, you cannot expect the garden of eden yet.
When you are born at take your fist breath, you breath in polluted air.. even so evil from past generations and those around you rub off on you and affect you even though you may not be directly responsible.

We are born in sin.. that means the byproducts of sin are also in our midst.... diseases etc.

Jesus can to reverse the effects of sin.. but this flesh is not the part of us that will live forever.. even though it gets "quickened" and we can live in supernatural health, that doesn't mean we will never get sick, ache, or be weak...through our weakness he is made strong.... if we were never weak, we would never need him.
We would be as the angels... God has a better plan.

He has a plan to join with us as bride and groom.. sharing his authority "as he has already given up his name" and bonding heart to heart in his love... something the world cannot understand.

In fact he Has "already done the work" to all that accept him, but we have only as of yet recieved the "earnest" of our inheritance.

(Rom 5:20 KJV) Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
(Rom 5:21 KJV) That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
(Rom 6:1 KJV) What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
(Rom 6:2 KJV) God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
(Rom 6:3 KJV) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
(Rom 6:4 KJV) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
(Rom 6:5 KJV) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: <span style="color:#006600">"the Rapture?"</span>
(Rom 6:6 KJV) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
(Rom 6:7 KJV) For he that is dead is freed from sin.
(Rom 6:8 KJV) Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
(Rom 6:9 KJV) Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
(Rom 6:10 KJV) For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
(Rom 6:11 KJV) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
(Rom 6:12 KJV) Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
(Rom 6:13 KJV) Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
(Rom 6:14 KJV) For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
(Rom 6:15 KJV) What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
(Rom 6:16 KJV) Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

We all serve someone... either God or Satan... believe me.....God is better.

Those of you who think you don't serve anyone.. you are the most blind... You are not your own.

 

Amen. Windstrings!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(loveit @ Feb 25 2007, 09:13 PM) [snapback]396503[/snapback]</div>

Without sharing my personal vision I had because it would only be mocked.... I was once shown how much satan hates... he hates every molecule and atom of our being.. he is so stinkin jealous and consumed with hate.

to the degree God is full of love that would melt your flesh if you were exposed to his fullness of glory while standing in your fleshly body.. even so Satan hates.

If he had a chance, he would destroy mankind in a moment... But God takes the wise in thier own craftiness and God is using the Devil as a pawn to demonstrate his glory and mercy.

Satan is the biggest "sucker" ever known to creation.
He is also the biggest liar! and the father of it.

Even mediocre religions that have no power can create cultures that do good because most devils or demons cannot even stand against the "will" of the enregenerated man.

But once man has given heed to various spirits of evil, it gives even more powerful spirits authority to take dominion over thier lives.

Men are born with a certain "portion" of ability to love and be good.. but as sin takes hold it chokes the life.
Children are the most pure because sin has had little time to pervert.
(Mat 24:12 KJV) And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

Hollywood, Television, Cable, Sattlelite, all the mediums of communication have been utilized to spread influence faster than ever before across the globe.

Unfortunately, most do not abide by the will of God, but are under the dominion of Satan.

(2 Th 2:7 KJV) For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
(2 Th 2:8 KJV) And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

(2 Th 2:7 NKJV) For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.
(2 Th 2:8 NKJV) And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

Many feel what limits the Devil is the presence of the Holy Spirit on earth and when it leaves with the saints in the rapture, then the world will really go to hell in a handbasket.

the spirit of God will still move upon certain men as in the old testament, but the Holy Spirit that lives in mens hearts will be taken away "as many believe"

 

I agree with you entirely on this.

I too, had a vision many years ago; and then another one several years ago.

But you are right. I always believed that when the body of believers is caught away, that we are the restrainer, then the evil one will surely come.

I just pray that the eyes and hearts of men would be open to the gospel message.

Just like God told Lot, his wife, and daughters not to look behind at the city of Sodom, I believe that God in His mercy will spare us from seeing such devastating destruction when it comes.

I don't want to see God in the fullness of His wrath and fury.

I am not sure if we will see the evil one take his place and declare himself to be God when the temple in Jerusalem is rebuilt but it is very possible. But do you think that might be when the believers will be caught up to heaven?

But I know that the Day of God's Wrath is not for the believers but for the unbelievers, and this is when the vials and bowls of judgments are poured out upon the earth.

You sound like you know a little bit more about this. What is your feeling on this?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(loveit @ Feb 25 2007, 07:17 PM) [snapback]396366[/snapback]</div>

Really? Then you don't know me well, or my sense of humor.


If you can't laugh at yourself, then you are way too pious.


Unless...you took it serious, despite my use of the smileys. And if you can't figure out smileys, what are you doing on the internets?


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(loveit @ Feb 25 2007, 07:17 PM) [snapback]396366[/snapback]</div>

It wasn't? So, God took out His typewriter, or pencil, or whatever, and then wrote it all down, handed it to the publisher, and 'poof' it was there?

I must have missed that part of the brainwashing, er, teaching.


MAN wrote the BIBLE, you stupid uneducated nits! Wait. Did I type that out? I must have. Well, maybe I did...ot maybe SATAN wrote it out!


:lol:


Seriously. It hurts my head, sometimes, with you and your type of believer. The BIBLE was written by man, absolutely. Inspired, no doubt, by God in parts.

But written by man, over centuries, by many different men. Please, please, at least see that. If you can't, maybe you really are uneducated.

And when you see that, you can see how man makes mistakes, is not perfect, and f**ked up the whole thing.

Really. For real. Okay, okay, not the whole thing. About 60-70% of it.

We don't have the originals. We just don't. We don't even have the first hand copies of the originals. s**t. I have said this over and over and over, and yet you don't get it. WON'T GET IT, because you are one of the brainwashed. So it seems.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(loveit @ Feb 25 2007, 07:17 PM) [snapback]396366[/snapback]</div>

Because, I have this thing called FAITH, something I had before I read one word of the Bible. I was raised a Catholic, back in the days of the evil nuns who would whack your left hands, if you wrote with them, (and I did write with my left hand), since writing with your left hand was a SIGN OF THE DEVIL!!!

No kidding.


So, anyway, you were not allowed to read the Bible on your own back then. Yet, I had faith in Christ. Still do.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(loveit @ Feb 25 2007, 07:17 PM) [snapback]396366[/snapback]</div>

You monkey. Yes, you, the monkey over there. I understand the Bible. I have read it more times then most. I have over 60 different versions. I have read it in the ancient tongues, in ancient English, and in Today's Slang.


I
UNDERSTAND
THE BIBLE.


I also am smart enough to recognize a con when I see it. And the early church leaders, wanted to convince, to con, the early believers into believing what they wanted them to. And so they fudged a bit here and there. They made up stuff. They left stuff out. They acted like men. Even Jesus pointed out how weak His disciples were.

If those who were there with HIM were weak, how much weaker were those who followed, and wrote the thing out? Compiled it? Edited it? MAN IS FLAWED. I am flawed. Are you? I don't think you think you are.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(loveit @ Feb 25 2007, 07:17 PM) [snapback]396366[/snapback]</div>

Wait. I though windy quoted the verses about 666. He did quote it. I just checked. I must have checked out when you wrote about it.


Sorry.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(loveit @ Feb 25 2007, 07:17 PM) [snapback]396366[/snapback]</div>

Not true, loveittoomuch. No one, not one person, lead me to Christ. I was lead by Him. When I was confirmed as a Catholic, I had a visit, right there as I was being confirmed, by Christ. And He told me to relax, that He would lead me to becoming a Pastor. Not a priest, but a Pastor.


And He did. When I fully accepted Christ, I did it on my own, after years of running from Christ. I had prophets travel from England to speak prophecies over me, prophets who had no idea who I was, telling me I was going to be a Pastor over thousands, and I was going to do it for free.


Well, I do this for free. And I have, on more then one occasion, preached to thousands. But not one man lead me to Christ. Not one.


And that is because, for me at least, I had to just accept the love of Christ. My story is not yours, so I don't expect you to fully get it.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(loveit @ Feb 25 2007, 07:17 PM) [snapback]396366[/snapback]</div>

Sorry, to disappoint you. I don't really care what you think. In the broadest sense of the words, 'I don't really care', that is. AS in, I don't care one way or the other if you are bothered by my words. They are, just words. On a screen. You can call me a horse, or a donkey, or a satan lover; doesn't matter to me. They are just words.


Here's the deal: I run into fundy types all the time. Types like you and windy, and piousguy04, and frankly, you drive away people. You do. I am speaking this out in the open, so others can see it.

But you confirm what so many people think about Christians when you speak all in Church Like Language, like, 'I say this out of love', when you really don't mean that. You and your type will try to discredit me, to make me seem like I am of the devil, and that I can't really be a preacher, since, (horrors!), I don't buy all the hype.

In fact, there are types here reading this, that think I'm an nice person as well, since I continue to fight you all on this thread. To them, I say, don't bother reading if it bugs you.

To you, and to others, answer this: How did MOSES write after he had died? Isn't that enough to make you question the 'perfect' Bible?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(priusguy04 @ Feb 25 2007, 08:26 PM) [snapback]396403[/snapback]</div>

GAY card? What is a GAY card? A Happy Card? What? if I was jealous of anything, it would be that I am jealous that I can't just turn my brain off, and follow blindly a book, because that book says so. I would be jealous of that, since that way requires much less of me.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(priusguy04 @ Feb 25 2007, 08:26 PM) [snapback]396403[/snapback]</div>

Yes! YES! You got that right! WOO HOO!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(priusguy04 @ Feb 25 2007, 08:26 PM) [snapback]396403[/snapback]</div>

I do believe in GOD, I do. In Christ. Holy Son Of God. Part of the Holy Trinity. I am indeed, a street preacher, who has a wicked sense of humor, who will poke fun at others, calling them monkeys and twits and the like.

I even call myself those things. Since the power of words are as strong as you are willing to make them.

Almost 40 years ago, we heard in the theme song of the Flintstones, 'we'll have a gay ole' time!'. Now, they weren't singing about Fred and Barney Fudge Packing, were they? No!
Nor were they singing about Betty and Wilma mowing each others carpet! No! But in less time then a generation, GAY has gone on to mean, homosexual. I suspect in less time, when someone says, 'I just got a Clinton', we will all know what that means.

Words change. All the time. So how could we POSSIBLY know, (with 100% accuracy), what was written thousands of years ago, if those words, meant what they meant? We can't. And we are always learning more and more, what words meant what, and what meanings meant what.

Another thing you ask:

'WTH is up' with me? What The Hell is up with me? I'll tell ya. I am tired of Christians being so uptight and outasight, that if you shove a piece of coal up their collective nice person, you would get a diamond in less then three weeks.

Disagree with me. Great. Argue with me. Super. Call me names, spit on me, wish I was dead, fantastic.

But at the very least, I am opening up a dialogue, making people talk about Christ, and taking Christ back to the people.

If you are reading this, and are an atheist, super as well. Hold onto your beliefs as strong as you can. Fight the urge to believe in Christ, in His message of Love.

I mean it. Fight it. Because, then, and only then, will you know if your belief system is strong enough to carry you.

I, nor anyone, should have the power to change your mind. It's not my mind to change.


Nor is it my place to change the minds of the fundy. Let them change, if they want, on their own. They won't change because I say so, or anyone says so.

Good for them.

We need all kinds of people, to do all kinds of things.


Like, figuring out, what do the words of Blinded By The Light really say, when they say, 'wrapped up like a deuce, another runner in the night'?












(quick question: What are the names of windy, piousguy, loveit? I have no idea. Mine is indeed, TJ, but it occurs to me, I don't know the real names of my protagonists)

 

Hmmm, If it where only true... <_< The sticking coal up our butts and popping out Diamonds .....:lol:

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(loveit @ Feb 25 2007, 11:08 PM) [snapback]396523[/snapback]</div>

Yep, tequila will do that to you. You should have hydrated more before that first shot.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(loveit @ Feb 25 2007, 11:46 PM) [snapback]396496[/snapback]</div>

FANTASTIC explanation. After this the thread should end (unless someone is getting the Holy Spirit to have him/her ask intelligent questions) As I have said before, the natural man will not understand, will think it foolishness. If your heart is so hardened that even this did not give you pause, you may be too far gone to find.

TJ, my word on the inerrancy of the Bible. I KNOW it was written by man, but inspired by GOD! Because the Bible itself says everything will pass away but my word will not pass away. There is even a quaote that not one "tittle" will pass away (those little marks like quotes and periods I think).

So, if GOD can do anything, he can sure make sure that when man wrote the BIBLE, he would NOT get it wrong.

WHY O' WHY would his word SAY it would be preserved if it would not?

AND, once you believe that one TITTLE of the Bible is wrong, then you have opened the door for satan to make you think another part is wrong, then another, then another.

FAITH requires you to believe it is CORRECT, otherwise, you no longer have faith.

JMHO! (and my answer to the flawed Bible folks)

So, since NOTHING in the Bible thus far seems to be designed to cause me or others any harm, how is believing in the inerrancy of the Bible a problem>

NOW, man's INTERPETATION of what was said and his practice of the word, now THAT has some flaws.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(loveit @ Feb 25 2007, 10:08 PM) [snapback]396523[/snapback]</div>

I don't even like to try and "speculate" on that because Jesus firmly declared that no one knew "not even him" except hif Father in heaven.

An interesting point.. Jesus didn't even know..... the Father did not even entrust that into his hands while being in the untrustworthy flesh.... but does he know now?????? Who knows and it doesn't really matter.

But because it is a secret there are no direct clues.

Jesus's coming as a baby to die for the sins of the world was totally missed too by the church and the scribes and pharasee's.

There was a few "several" we don't know how many.... but more than three.. that knew the approximate time and knew the star would be the sign. That star was jupiter and I believe Venus and it aligned together made a whopping bright light over Bethlehem in relation to perspective on the region in that day in space.
You can even track it with space tracking software.

Anyway... the rapture is not so clear.... We hear about days being "extended" .. I believe that may be happening now... it could happen at any moment now and it would be totally correct to do so and by all the prophecy that has been fullfilled concerning it.

However, we all have gut feelings...

I personally think calamity will hit first and there will be a great revival worldwide first with even more signs and miracles. JMO!

Hollywood has already prepared everyone for the catching away to be explained by some form of aleins that needed to go anyway etc.
Look at the recent television programs depicing so.

But the scripture does seem to indicate that the Antichrist cannot go into power untill the Holy Spirit is removed. He will be very powerful and influential in his short time God will allow him to decieve.

His spirit was already working even back when the new testament was being written, but I really believe he is alive and well today.

That guy that over the united nations gives me the creeps though.... he just just be the forerunner to the the antichrist.

As John the Baptist was the forerunner to Jesus, even so, we will have the forerunner first preparing the way for the antichrist to be revealed and go into power.

The world will see him as "finally" an answer to prayer as he will dazzle and amaze with his smoothness and eloquence, not to mention his extreme intelligence.

What will make him so wonderful and powerful is the spirit of the antichrist working behind the scene in mens minds to pursuade them his direction.

Jesus would have done nothing without the Holy Spirit to prepare hearts and work in the background.

Even so, the antichrist "the counterfeit christ" will mimic how Jesus came into power.

He will have a forerunner, and he will appear as the saviour of the world to alliviate our confusion and turmoil and finally bring peace. All the nations will trust him without question and in order to pinpoint, find, and stop illegal citizens in thier tracks everyone will be given a mark thats tied to the world computer thats already been in existence for some time now.

Without that mark, you cannot buy, sell or trade and capital punishment will be beheadedment for those to defy the order.
Funny how being beheaded seemed so foreign untill 9-11!.. Its amazing how fast things can change!

Anyone not recieving the mark will be deemed a national, state, and world criminal as he is only trying to evade the system that protects us all.
No more counterfeit money, no more fake ID's, no more identity theft, no more credit card scam, extortion etc etc etc.. it will all be about that mark in the hand or the forehead.....

The other prophecies are already in place.....

People think the rapture will cause them to escape all these things.. I"m not so sure.. but possible.

This is just one tiny place... I will have mercy on all and not try and post all the prophecies..


(Luke 21:10 KJV) Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
(Luke 21:11 KJV) And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
(Luke 21:12 KJV) But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
(Luke 21:13 KJV) And it shall turn to you for a testimony.
(Luke 21:14 KJV) Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
(Luke 21:15 KJV) For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist. "LOL!.. that sounds familiar!"
(Luke 21:16 KJV) And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
(Luke 21:17 KJV) And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
(Luke 21:18 KJV) But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
(Luke 21:19 KJV) In your patience possess ye your souls.
(Luke 21:20 KJV) And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
(Luke 21:21 KJV) Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
(Luke 21:22 KJV) For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
(Luke 21:23 KJV) But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
(Luke 21:24 KJV) And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
(Luke 21:25 KJV) And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
(Luke 21:26 KJV) Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
(Luke 21:27 KJV) And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
(Luke 21:28 KJV) And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Schmika @ Feb 26 2007, 09:04 AM) [snapback]396627[/snapback]</div>

Very well said.....

 

TJ, something to consider.... "what ifs"

What is there is a real devil?
if so wouldn't his tactic to decieve and throw off from the original truths were to make false truths?

This is even a tactic our fighter jets use to confuse the oncomming missle?

Once a person has been around for a while and been bombarded with commercials promising this and that and in reality only trying to get your pocket book, when you see lawyers and judges perverted by the dollar and no longer interested in right and wrong, yet present thier case as if its truth,
When you see virtually everyone you are in contact with putting on another face and hiding the real them to protect themselves...

In a world of total counterfeits, evil, falsehoods, lies, cheating and without love..... you do develope keen senses to protect yourself...

The plan of the enemy is that you also miss the truth by being burned so many times be the false that you cannot feel anylonger and will not see, even though you see.

Remember the phrase "there is none so blind as those who "will not" see?"

Give God a chance, he will not hurt you.... put your god in a box and forget him for a while and test the real God that loves you and can teach and comfort you.. the one that inspired the bible you so think is false.

There was a man just like you, who too was very intelligent and thought he was doing Godservice by attacking the bible and what God represented...
His name was Paul.

He was called Saul before his conversion..
(Acts 8:3 KJV) As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison.

(Acts 9:1 KJV) And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,

(Acts 9:3 KJV) And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
(Acts 9:4 KJV) And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
(Acts 9:5 KJV) And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
(Acts 9:8 KJV) And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus.
(Acts 9:9 KJV) And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink.


Quite interesting after Paul was struck with blindness and converted, that he excercised the same wonder against another similiar to his former self!

(Acts 13:9 KJV) Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him,
(Acts 13:10 KJV) And said, O full of all subtlety and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?
(Acts 13:11 KJV) And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand.
(Acts 13:12 KJV) Then the deputy, when he saw what was done, believed, being astonished at the doctrine of the Lord.

Even so you respond to us as people responded to Paul... see any similiarities?
(Acts 13:45 KJV) But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.

 

You want the Antichrist? He may be here in Miami.

I have to look it up, but there is this man, who not only calls himself the Antichrist, has 666 tattooed on his body. His followers do as well.

And the ace kicker? He thinks he is Christ himself!

He has a HUGE church, that goes into South America.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/16/miami.preacher/index.html

I kid thee not on this one...

 

That could be.. but it sounds like a "wanna be" to get attention....

The true Antichrist will not rise as a wanna be.. he will have the backing of the world.

Sad so many people will follow a fool and even a self proclaimed "antichrist"...

it just goes to show you.... he that has the biggest crowds is not the right one... crowds are driven by madness as they all go off the cliff together.

Jesus said.. be not alarmed.. there will be many false christs.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(windstrings @ Feb 25 2007, 11:37 PM) [snapback]396511[/snapback]</div>

What is that supposed to mean? Medicore religions?

We have a word for people like you, that think they know everything.. Well, we have belief as to why someone like you would think they know everything. It's called Ego. Your ego is so big that you think you understand the world and all living things because you read a book written by MAN (about a story of a man posing as the Son of God). Your ego makes you think that you are complex enough to even understand the intentions of "God", if "God" does indeed exist.

It is also very funny to me how so many of you claim to even be able to comprehend God and understand his ways or plans.. Like an ant trying to understand why the wind blows.