Down to the Rapture

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Alric @ Feb 11 2007, 10:53 PM) [snapback]388738[/snapback]</div>

Seems like always when dealing with God, he requires and element of Faith.
Faith is your evidence.
Its like someone saying "we'll how do you "know" you will get a new bike for christmas?" and the kid replies.."because my Dad said so".

(Heb 11:1 KJV) Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Without getting into another bible study... its also impossible to "please" God without faith.
(Heb 11:6 KJV) But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

I've give you a couple of hints as to why:
(Gal 5:6 KJV) For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

(James 1:3 KJV) Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
(James 1:4 KJV) But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
(James 1:5 KJV) If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
(James 1:6 KJV) But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
(James 1:7 KJV) For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
(James 1:8 KJV) A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

If he made us dependent upon anything but Faith and love, were we assimilated our trust and environment based on our intellect, we would be no better than rebellious children who cannot trust and obey thier fathers word... they have to "understand" it first before they will honor and trust it.

We would be no better than lucifier when he fell from heaven... the most anointed cherib, adorned with beauty and glory... leader of worship in heaven, yet pride decieved him.

God wants to make us invulnerable to that vulnerability.

He wants to bond with us in marriage and become one with us....

A whole new thing since before creation that all of heaven gets to behold... it can only happen out of a heart of love and faith and trust.

That why the santity of "marriage" is being attacked.... it is a parallel and type and shadow of Gods relationship with us... and the devil is trying to pervert it.
Marriage is of Heaven... not of the earth.

The two becoming one.. I wonder where that came from????
Jesus praying in the garden:
(John 17:22 KJV) And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: Wow!, Jesus was asking the Father to make us one as he and his Father are one! So that we may all be one!.... stick that in your pipe and smoke it!!!

In this cold world, we have "learned" to trust nothing and believe no one...... thats good to protect us, but a sheep that is afraid of the wolf is good, but if that sheep is also afraid of his shepherd, he is blind.

God just gave us glimses of the "the rapture" and the end of the world without all the details because he insisted that we not worry about it and try to control it and trust in our own abilities and intellect.

If we were supposed to bear that burden, He would have gave us all the facilities to do so....
Our job is to culture a relationship with him and trust him and fall in love with him... something thats impossible without the aid of the Holy Spirit... books alone don't cut it.. they are only an aid.. just like a sword. It has nothing to do with the heart as it has to be open and engaged by its possessor.
When you hear the phrase "faith comes by hearing the word of God".. thats true, but thats the spoken word, not logos, the written word.
As you read it, God must speak it into your spirit or its dead. Hence you learn to hear his voice.

God built us all in such a way that we "need" him and we are built to take sides and fight against a foe and to cling to a God with our heart... because of being made in that fashion... the Devil which is thousands if not millions of years old, has fashioned counterfeits and measures to decieve and distract away from what really matters.

We who are a mere fragment in age, are no match against satans wisdom.. but he is no match against Jesus.... Satans power is stripped for those who walk underneath that name.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(windstrings @ Feb 12 2007, 11:37 AM) [snapback]388861[/snapback]</div>

That phrase is indistinguishable from delusion.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TJandGENESIS @ Feb 11 2007, 03:28 AM) [snapback]388372[/snapback]</div>

There is a difference in fairy tales and the Bible.. if your story is never supported by the author of the book, its faith on empty hope without fabric.

Without any "confirmation" from the one you supposely worship or follow, you could be following a vapor.

True, there may be life "as you know it" on other planets, but they are not your savior, nor your creator ... as they are limited to the physical plane too and subject to its vulnerablities.
The creator is very attentive to the earth as he has made it his footstool and watches every detail even to the last sparrow that falls.

There are many faiths out there, but they worship dead people... people who are not of heaven, nor can they come down and intervene into your life... "aside from Satan's crew, who is not bound yet".

(Mark 16:20 KJV) And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

If your religion has no signs, miracles following the word, its dead.
True there are times when you will be forced to trust with faith alone, but if Daddy never ever comes home and graces your doorstep to say hello and give you a big hug and a kiss and make everything alright.... maybe you are reading about a daddy that don't exist!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(windstrings @ Feb 12 2007, 11:49 AM) [snapback]388866[/snapback]</div>

What if there is no evidence the miracles are true? Is the religion still dead? Because that would be all existing religions.

 

I would have to disagree, both loveit & windstrings sound like they are fairly well versed in the scripture.

That doesn't make them dangerous, Listening to some of the statments you have made, in this thread may make some followers think the same of you..

 

There are so many religions and faiths out there that worship so many gods.. its been that way for thousands of years.....
Jesus said "blessed is he that believes, that has not seen the miracles etc".

In Gods mercy, he knew it would be very hard to discern the good from the bad when we were so dead that we can't discern the fruit.
So he gave miracles...... Even before Jesus,..... God brought miracles to break the standard of normal boundaries of physical laws and programming.

He knew if would be difficult so he doesn't expect your faith to be in nothing at all... "even though that would be better", he knows we are dull and deaf of hearing and blind.. so He breaks into our plane as a bolt of lightening to get our attention.
You should never listen to a speaker that "never" walks in this authority or power.
All of them talk about it.. how is was, how its gonna be.. but few demostrate it right now as the Lord leads.

(1 Cor 2:4 KJV) And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
(1 Cor 2:5 KJV) That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

This was the last thing the Jesus said before he ascended:
(Mark 16:17 KJV) And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
(Mark 16:18 KJV) They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
(Mark 16:19 KJV) So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

The fruits is the best way to tell.. the signs can be decieving too.. as some will work with "lying wonders".

(2 Th 2:7 KJV) For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
(2 Th 2:8 KJV) And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: (some believe this is the second coming)
(2 Th 2:9 KJV) Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, (lying wonders cannot bring forth life... only cover it, then uncover it as a majician.)
(2 Th 2:10 KJV) And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. (this is the only guard against deception.. if you seek out and love hearing a lie to appease your sin to hide behind it, you will be decieved)
(2 Th 2:11 KJV) And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
Once people resist God long enough, he gives them over to thier own way..if you are worried about it.. it prob hasn't happened to you.... for it takes the spirit of God to even draw you.
You cannot approach the King of the universe without an invitation.. but all are already invited!
(2 Th 2:12 KJV) That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Deep calls to deep... the spirit of a man is deeper than feelings and .. so is your relationship with your spouse or you kids.... so is the love for God "the truth" as its beyond all understanding and defying the laws of intellect.

God gave us glimses of heaven so we could understand. Look at the love for your children.
Some will be so cold that they cannot relate to that either.



(Mat 24:12 KJV) And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

Love and iniguity are a bad mix.. they don't go together.



yes.. intellect and eyes alone are sorry tools for navigating in the spirit.. you have to surrender your heart and let the Holy Spirit guide you, for He sees what you can't.

 

Arlic, if you had a little boy, and you said to him, "Son, I am going to take you for a ride tomorrow to the ice cream parlor and you can have anything your heart desires."

How would your "little boy", what would he think?

He doesn't have any ice cream YET, but since you are his father, he takes you at your word, which is a PROMISE to him.

He most certainly wouldn't say that you are a liar because his father wouldn't lie to him.

But yet, since he doesn't have any ice cream today, does that mean that what you have PROMISED him will not come to pass?

No. Why? Because you have made promises to him before and you kept your word. Why? Because then how would he learn to trust you? How would he learn to listen to you because you know what is best for him?

Likewise, that is the evidence your little boy has when you tell him something that is yet to come, but has not taken place yet doesn't mean it is not true or won't be true.

It is the same with the Heavenly Father.

If you really want some evidence, pray to the Father and ask Him to reveal Himself to you.

But you must remember, that those who come to the Father must believe that He exists, otherwise, why would you expect Him to do anything?

Same thing with your "little boy". He wouldn't come to you if he didn't believe he wasn't going to receive what he was asking from you?

But don't get me wrong, you most definitely wouldn't give your child anything that would hurt him, or what is not best for him.

It is the same way with the Heavenly Father. That is why He is good; and that's why He is also called the "Good Shepherd."

I don't know if this helps. But it is only the Father's will to bless and not harm His children; even all of creation.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(loveit @ Feb 12 2007, 01:27 PM) [snapback]388931[/snapback]</div>

Didn't he drown most of his creation at least once?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Alric @ Feb 12 2007, 12:00 PM) [snapback]388950[/snapback]</div>

I'm so glad you asked!

In referencing to the last days and the end of time.....

Yep.. Excellent point!.....and he Fried Sodom and Gomorrah!.....
None of them thought it would happen either!!!

(Gen 6:3 KJV) And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

(Luke 17:26 KJV) And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
(Luke 17:27 KJV) They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
(Luke 17:28 KJV) Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
(Luke 17:29 KJV) But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
(Luke 17:30 KJV) Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.



(2 Pet 2:4 KJV) For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
(2 Pet 2:5 KJV) And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
(2 Pet 2:6 KJV) And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
(2 Pet 2:7 KJV) And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
(2 Pet 2:8 KJV) (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds
(2 Pet 2:9 KJV) The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
(2 Pet 2:10 KJV) But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
(2 Pet 2:11 KJV) Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
(2 Pet 2:12 KJV) But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
(2 Pet 2:13 KJV) And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
(2 Pet 2:14 KJV) Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
(2 Pet 2:15 KJV) Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
(2 Pet 2:16 KJV) But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb nice person speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
(2 Pet 2:17 KJV) These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
(2 Pet 2:18 KJV) For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
(2 Pet 2:19 KJV) While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
(2 Pet 2:20 KJV) For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.


This last days "God is Love" teaching has enabled those who love to sin, to hide in that and sin all the more.
(Rom 6:12 KJV) Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
(Rom 6:13 KJV) Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
(Rom 6:14 KJV) For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
(Rom 6:15 KJV) What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

 

Arlic, when you see a rainbow in the sky, it is God's promise that He would never send another flood LIKE that one again.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(loveit @ Feb 12 2007, 02:06 PM) [snapback]389009[/snapback]</div>

So did rainbows not exist before the flood?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Proco @ Feb 12 2007, 02:13 PM) [snapback]389011[/snapback]</div>

I thought that was the alternative lifestyle flag?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(huskers @ Feb 12 2007, 02:20 PM) [snapback]389016[/snapback]</div>

So the rainbow was god's promise not to flood again and his approval of alternative lifestyles?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Proco @ Feb 12 2007, 01:13 PM) [snapback]389011[/snapback]</div>

thats the deal.....

Was a different type of climate back then....

(Gen 2:5 KJV) And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

(Gen 2:6 KJV) But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.




<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Proco @ Feb 12 2007, 01:24 PM) [snapback]389019[/snapback]</div>

I think that was the "end" of the alternative lifestyles... Hence the flood...

(Gen 6:4 KJV) There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. (Here is where it is believed that Fallen Angels had sex with women and created giants like goliath with six toes and six fingers.)
(2 Sam 21:20 KJV) And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.

(Gen 6:5 KJV) And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. Hey.. that sounds like today!!

(Gen 6:6 KJV) And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

(Gen 6:7 KJV) And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

(Gen 6:8 KJV) But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

(Gen 6:9 KJV) These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

(Gen 6:10 KJV) And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

(Gen 6:11 KJV) The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.

(Gen 6:12 KJV) And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

(Gen 6:13 KJV) And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

(Gen 6:14 KJV) Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(priusguy04 @ Feb 12 2007, 01:40 PM) [snapback]388896[/snapback]</div>

Of course you would disagree; you agree with them. And windinhisstringsfromtoomuchofhisownspeech, he continues to quote the KJV Bible, but has not been able (or willing), to answer my question about it. loveitorleaveit, has also been unable to answer that question.

One can easily be well versed in the scripture. Satan knows the Bible.

Ted Haggart knows the Bible. Pat Robertson knows the Bible.


But it's another thing entirely to think outside the Bible. If I am dangerous because I use my brain, and don't just follow the Bible because it says so, then more power to me.

I grow weary of this thread.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TJandGENESIS @ Feb 12 2007, 02:08 PM) [snapback]389050[/snapback]</div>

Not sure what your adversity to the Bible is... you seem to have everything upside down?

It's dangerous to "Not" think about the Bible!

Especially when you "know" about it!

 

I agree with everything that Windstrings has written.

Proco, no, there was no rainbow before then; and neither was there any rain at that time.

It is exactly as Wiindstrings has written.

Man is cannot create because there is only one Creator:God. God's creation was good.

Man can only re-create.

I would be very careful about taking something which only God created, the rainbow, and thus attach a label to it saying that it represents an alternative lifestyle.

All of God's creation has His signature on it.

TJ, you have no power unless it has been given to you by God.

Look at King Nebby before you make a statement like that one.
Even the high and mighty have be humbled.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(loveit @ Feb 12 2007, 02:13 PM) [snapback]389053[/snapback]</div>

Hence the power of the counterfiet..... it seems real to those who never knew the original....

It makes the Counterfeit seem like the original and the original seem like the counterfiet... the youths are especially vulnerable to that....

Its human nature to think that whatever you were exposed to "first" is the original....

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(loveit @ Feb 12 2007, 05:15 PM) [snapback]389053[/snapback]</div>

'It is exactly as Wiindstrings has written.'

It is not even close to what windbags has written, loveittoomuch.

I don't want power. Never have.

And the rainbow has indeed, been taken as symbol of the Gay community. When I got married, and my wife and I choose rainbows, we were ignorant (at the time), to what they now stand for. So when people asked me if we were gay, I did not know why they were asking at the time.


If you and windbags were to take your head out of your collective Bible, and just use your God given brain, you too would see there is more to just blindly following that Book. There is more to it.

But I am wasting my typing, and my time with you two. Go, and sit in a circle, and wait for the end times as described by a man, who was just one of many who wrote an end of the world thesis at the time.

Or have you not read Peter's take on it?

No? Of course mot, since it was excised from the Bible.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TJandGENESIS @ Feb 12 2007, 04:50 PM) [snapback]389076[/snapback]</div>

I was gonna call him 'Lost It', but that works too.