Diesel Auris beats hybrid Auris

Nevertheless, the "air quality score" for the Puegeot 308 is "12" and the AQ score for the Yaris Hybrid is "16" according to that site (lower score is better.)

If you look at their methodology (Green Car Rating | Lifecycle rating for all UK vehicles | Next Green Car), they use emissions through the entire life-cycle, not just what comes out of the tailpipe.

 

How many European diesels are using a SCR system with DEF? I thought those were only seeing use in the American market, because our current emission limits on NOx are stricter than even Euro6.

 

Grumpy,
Is the BIK tax in the UK set at time of purchase for the car's lifetime, or does it increase yearly for old cars also ?

2, Is the BIK amount treated as income ?

That report card appears to only take CO2 into account, and ignores the other tailpipe emissions.

Like you

 

It says on that page I linked...

CO2 and the other GHG emissions are included, but are not the only emission considered.

CO2 isn't involved in air quality anyway.

 

Fair enough; but then it only means that their weighting is nonsensical.

 

Well, again, it says on that page that the weighting of the emissions is based on the "European Cleaner Drive Programme", which is apparently the currently-accepted methodology. It doesn't go into more detail so the exact weighting of each pollutant isn't explicitly stated.

Why do you think (apparently) that NOx should receive a much higher weighting than any of the other regulated emissions?

 

It is a car the size of a Prius. That's the big difference. So whilst it costs 15% more than a Yaris, it costs significantly less than the same sized Prius.

And you're not looking at the Euro 6 versions, but the older Euro 5 which half the model line up consists of until early next year when all cars have to be Euro6.

 

Let me rephrase the question: Why do I think that a car that has ten fold higher NOx emissions (and I think similar emissions for the other pollutants) should not have a 'greener' score ?

Do you really have to ask ?

Except that the 15% higher price is only purchase. BIK taxes pile on top.

I'm not sure I understand how to compute BIK -- awaiting your explanation. If I'm following correctly, the difference is about 10% of purchase price every year as additional income, which in the UK I presume is some 30 - 40% as more income tax. So every year another 30 - 40% of purchase price difference, meaning at least 0.3*0.15 = 0.045. Is this right ? Or perhaps the BIK brackets tend to aggregate old(er) cars ? Even if the BIK bracket difference is only two years, that is another 10% of purchase price difference.

 

Yes, I do, because we're talking about emissions from vehicle manufacturing, fuel production, and vehicle operations. Its' NOT just what's coming out of the tailpipe.

By the way, according to the official certified emissions by VCA, the Peugeot 308 has lower HC and CO emissions than the Yaris Hybrid. The PM emissions for the Yaris are not reported, but they can't be lower than the 0.0 mg/km that's reported for the 308.

 

Ain't that the truth.

 

Don't worry your pretty little head about it - seriously

BIK is ONLY for cars purchased via a company and given to an employee as a perk. The calculations of how it affects personal tax is complicated and left to accountants. It does try to encourage more efficient vehicles.


Company Car Tax Calculator | Company Car Tax | Parkers


TheUK tax system has different bands and the more you earn the higher the tax rate. 40% tax becomes due if you earn more than £31k ($48,500) a year. What happened some years ago was that rather than give you a salary of £35k where you'd be hit by a jump in tax from 20% to 40% a company would pay you £30k a year AND give you a brand new car and fuel. Effectively offsetting the money you'd pay yourself. The Government caught up with this and have taxed company cars, but because there are also benefits to the economy having company cars, it is often more tax advantageous to have a company car. Everyone wins. Because fuel is free to the employee many people got more fuel inefficent cars than they would have if they had been paying for it themselves. To redress this the Government encourage more efficient cars by the BIK ratings. Hope this makes a bit of sense.

BIK doesn't apply to a private purchaser or even a small commercial purchaser like a taxi driver, florist, builder, joiner etc.

 

Calculate the cost over 10 years for me.

 

Still waiting......

 

not a diesel knowledgeable person here - BUT - what if;
marry the diesel with hybrid, and natural gas. Presto! What do you have ... You get your high efficiency .... you get your torque ... you get your non-renewable fossil fuel burner .... you get your expensive initial-cost vehicle ... iow .... you get everything Toyota Mirai - without the disadvantage of the multi billion dollar absent infrastructure !!!
Yes? No?
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How will you burn that natural gas? In diesel engine?

 

Read on my friend . . .

It's not as whacky as some may think - afaik, Freightliner is the main proponent of CNG trucking - but other companies are catching up. It's been going on now for a number of years;

Natural Gas Trucks FAQ - Freightliner Trucks

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No issue with the CNG (bit less energy is all), lots of diesel truck guys are running that already.

I'd vote yes on that one.......would like to see one of the big guns try it since it does burn cleaner than diesel fuel.

 

Well, not rocket science nor a lot of bucks for a very clean vehicle. LPG on hybrid, you see one on my avatar, my Auris 87 g/km CO2 real cycle on real fuel consumption (click Spritmonitor on my signature) and/or jump in our forum appropriate section, and you'll find quite a few Gen2, 3 and Auris on LPG/CNG

And my sophisticated single injectors and ECU-connected-trhough-OBD, Romano LPG system, costs, all inclusive, 950 Eur, do the math

 

do they still stink?