Featured Death to EV bills

Only the federal government can tax for something past state lines

taxation over state lines is the purview of the federal government.

AKA If I consume or do something in state B but state A gets the tax benefit I’m pretty sure that is open and shut, if I felt so inclined I’m pretty sure there is 1800’s era case law that bans the practice and the penalties to the offending state are rather extreme and draconian.

this is why certain recent states attempts to ban or prosecute activities that take place outside their borders raises eyebrows considering such policies could result in direct prosecution/detainment of legislators given the federal government’s stance correlating to breaking up these policies to destroy the south’s destructive peonage and fugitive slave law history. Roosevelt prior to WWII demolished laws and legislatures of this type with major and extreme prejudice, similar tactics could be used to remove state legislators who make federal interstate legal precedent.

This is similar to the courts banning taxation of technology and fuel economy (1920’s and 1930’s) turned down taxing various vehicle improvements as being feigned differences not valid as the basis of taxation. Horsepower, fuel economy, transmission type are all illegal to tax being feigned differences per long settled case law. (Before 1949)

considering how stupid our government has gotten since about 2017, it doesn’t surprise me that states make taxes and law that violate well established law and precedent , it does surprise me they aren’t thrown out before even getting to implementation.

 

Thank you, great explanation

 

Then shouldn't charging a non-resident sales tax should be banned then?

People are regularly buying things in one state, and using them in another. Including fuel. Sounds like we should be handling everything like many states handle car sales, where sales tax for out of state purchases aren't collected by that state the sale is in, but by the state where it is registered.

 

You're going to give away all the secret loopholes!

Interestingly, if you buy online or over the phone and have the item shipped you're supposed to pay taxes for it in the state you live in, even though the business you bought it from is in another state. There used to be less control over this.

Another thing is certain items are still illegal if you buy them in another state and bring them to the state that doesn't allow them. For an example, CARB states don't want you going across into another state and getting a non CARB compliant catalytic converter or a used one even if it was CARB compliant when new and still works.

 

Control these days mostly has to do with the business having a physical presence in the same state as the customer. Find a state without an Amazon warehouse, and residents likely don't get charged sales tax on orders.

Pennsylvania has a use tax. We are suppose to declare all the stuff we bought in a state without a sales tax, and basically pay Pa sales tax on it. Perhaps that is how it should be done to be legal; no sales tax, just a use tax where the item will be, well used.

 

Interstate shipping cause & effect. States with very low or no sales tax often have higher taxes other ways to compensate. So forcing another State's sales tax onto a low or no tax area, in a way, sort of penalizes that low/no tax state - if we start allowing high tax state's shipping sources to add on their sales tax.

 

Oh we’ve lost control of the whole country

 

Kind of like rome, babylon, Greese etc - a good run prior to decay from within

 

greese?

 

If going only by EPS you could drive yourself crazy, and the problem is that the relativity is only as good as the market pulse. Sometimes stocks go to very low or very high EPS and wisdom says to sell when above a certain level. You need to see the levels of other stocks in the sector and you need to see the sector volumes of buys and sells. Even if you have no plans of becoming a day trader the training for reading the charts and fundamentals could work for you if you have the patience for it. Read the Wall Street Journal and Barrons. Forecasts are frames of reference.

 

I think these Bills are bad attempts to roll back the previous administration's push on EV's and I don't think it is well considered given the current costs of EV's for sale right now. However if it passed and gets signed in its current form it will probably drive the cost of the EV's down, coincidentally by $8000 That is $7000 less due to lost tax credit and $1000 absorption of that $1000 proposed fee/surcharge.

 

The only consideration is that it pleases trunks base

 

I think the only consideration is that it pleases the top 0.001% (in wealth) and they distort it and portray it as make America great again (for the peasants that voted for Trunk). He is laying dynamites in the foundations of this country.

It was a horror show in White House today how Trunk, Vance, and other aids shouted at the Ukrainian president and treated him like a little child. It was never seen in history before, as even Putin said. And according to the Trunk base, Ukraine would have never been invaded if Trunk was in power. Right.

 

IMHO, there were adults in the room on his first go around; but not this time.....

 

I received an email today that the Trunk administration is also killing the Home Electrification and Appliance Rebates (HEEHRA) program:

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HEEHRA REBATES UPDATE
HEEHRA Rebates Paused

This email contains important information about the status of funding for the Home Electrification and Appliance Rebates (HEEHRA) program. Please review this email in full.

The California Energy Commission provided the following update regarding HEEHRA earlier today:

“In light of the continued pause in federal funding by President Trump’s January 20, 2025, Executive Order (Section 7, Unleashing American Energy), the California Energy Commission (CEC) is pausing the state’s administration of the federal Home Electrification and Appliance Rebates (HEEHRA) Program until the Trump Administration provides additional information on the funding for this program. The program has stopped accepting and processing new income verifications and rebate reservations for single family and multifamily homes. California intends to honor approved reservations as the availability of federal funding allows. The state is working to resolve ongoing issues accessing federal payments. We will provide more information when it becomes available from the federal government.”

As of February 26, 2025, the HEEHRA program team is continuing to review and pay rebate claims for projects that have been completed and submitted for processing. These submitted claims must be associated with approved reservations, also referred to as pre-approvals. To support prompt rebate claim processing, please ensure that you submit all required information including geo-tagged photos of pre-install equipment/conditions and post-install equipment.

No individual should start a project without an approved reservation. Proceeding with any project without an approved reservation is made solely at your own risk.