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CT 200h: first impressions from a production vehicle

Discussion in 'Lexus Hybrids and EVs' started by MattD, Feb 27, 2011.

  1. Tideland Prius

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    I went to the local dealer's CT200h launch party today and managed to snag a test drive of the Technology Package (Canadian version) which basically adds nav and LED headlights over the Premium Package (leather, 10-speaker, memory seats etc). No fancy AT stuff in any Canadian CT200h.


    1. Rides better. It's firm but not jarring. The suspension does a better job in soaking up the bumps especially when the roads completely snow-covered (compacted) and the snow has ridges and "potholes" from previous warm spells that softened the snow

    2. Sport Mode handling - Those that love to drive will love Sport Mode. I did a number of "slalom"-like manoeuvres (just half-turn to half-turn) at constant throttle on a compact snow surface and the VDIM was working away in the background but there weren't any noises (other than the beep) and the steering was quick and direct. No sliding, no fuss. Amazing considering the AS tyres and the surface. In the Prius, you'll hear a "brraup" when VSC kicks in suddenly. It revs to about 4,000rpm under hard acceleration. Note that I did not try the same thing in Normal/ECO mode. The brochure says that TRAC/VSC is less aggressive in Sport mode so maybe that's why it acted the way it did.

    3. Quiet - It's quieter than the Prius (no surprise there. It's a Lexus after all). At full throttle, there's definitely less engine noise that enters the cabin. However, I did notice a bit of wind noise around the mirror at 100km/h (62mph).

    4. LED headlights - They work great. This is the first time I've taken one out at night so I finally got to see how it looks. The fogs really help fill the nearsight area. They also light up the side a bit too

    5. Audio system - Pretty good for what is essentially a non-branded set (i.e. Lexus Premium Audio and not JBL or Bose or Bowens & Wilkins etc). There's a speaker in the trunk and I have no idea if that's supposed to be a subwoofer.

    5. Rear visibility - Of course the car is dirty from all the snow and crud. The wiper is about as big as Toyota could fit into the rear window, but unfortunately, because of its letterbox-like rear window, the cleared area is quite small (fortunately, it's centred). The rest of the window is opaque.

    6. Space - Yes it's tight but for my tall frame, it's not cramped like our 2000 Corolla. I have good front and rear headroom (though the front seat has to be all the way down) and good front legroom and acceptable rear legroom (my knees just touch the front seats but definitely not jabbing the driver or front passenger). Cargo area is small and underfloor storage is limited to the tonneau cover and some space for a folding umbrella or the Lexus emergency kit. The seats fold nearly flat and the headrests do fold but oddly enough, it seems like they used the Prius' folding mechanisms but forgot that the CT's rear seat bottoms are longer. When the rear seats are down, the folded headrests just kinda hang there. There's no locked position.

    7. Seating & Trim - Love the leather-like material on the instrument panel hood and the centre console. Adds a bit of padding for the knees. Material seems nice and ok for its class (I've seen similar headliner and pillar trim in other cars like the TSX) but our Prius' felt-lined A and B pillar feels nicer. The A pillar is similar material to the headliner but the B and C pillars are smooth plastic. I'm also not a fan of NuLuxe. I like the concept because it's environmentally friendly to produce and no doubt will be tougher and withstand wear and tear better than leather but it feels rubbery.... like a rubber ball in gym class. Not sure if I liked the exposed front cupholders either. The USB/AUX and 12V outlets are under a damped cover ahead of the cupholders. There are no rear armests or cupholders. So European lol.

    8. Driving Position - You sit low but forward visibility is good. The side mirrors are nice and large and the seats are nicely bolstered for spirited driving but not body-hugging like a Sparco or Recaro seat.

    9. Obscured Facts (Way Out There)

    - the passenger door is the only one with a grip-type door closing handle. The other 3 doors have the door closing "handle" by the armrest, like the Prius

    - the passenger side power door lock switch is illuminated (In the Prius, only the driver's side is illuminated)

    - It has a 5-function trip computer plus Energy Monitor and Consumption screen in its small OLED display but no Tank Average that's found on other Lexus models

    - Nav models will have a full colour Energy Monitor/Consumption Screen as well

    - Does not carry the LED lights from its siblings - interior and licence plate lights are incandescent

    - If you get the halogen headlight models, your LED DRL strip is cut into two pieces. It looks odd from afar and looks like a few bulbs burned out. On LED headlight-equipped models, the LED DRL strip is continuous. If you guys don't get DRL on the CT, that LED strip comes on as part of the parking lights so those of you who are bummed that the CT won't have DRLs can take comfort that the parking lights do the same thing with the bonus of illuminating the rear taillights.

    - The silver trim is plastic and not real aluminium. I don't see a woodtrim option for Canada =(

    - There's a blue light illuminating the top of the instrument cluster. If you're in ECO mode and you're in the ECO area of the CT's Hybrid System Indicator (the left-most dial in the cluster), it'll illuminate blue and if you're in the PWR area, it turns off. It makes it easy to know if you're in the "zone" without taking your eyes off the road. I find that the blue light is within my peripheral vision.


    That's all I can think of for now.
     
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  2. cwerdna

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    Thanks for the great info! Judging by http://media.toyota.ca/pr/tci/en/document/TCI_Month_End_Sales_Results_for_February_2011.pdf, I really do wonder how many they will be able to sell in Canada.

    I don't watch Canadian auto sales at all, but it wouldn't surprise me if it doesn't do much better than the HS after the first few months.
     
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    How is the pricing compared to the US? I remember Canadians importing the US Prii due to the differences in the price.
     
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    The trim is designed to be a dealer installed option; they snap out and can be replaced. This may have not made it's way into the market just yet.
     
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    all i know is that in europe, they will sell *loads... in my eastern european market, CT200h has very similar pricing to Prius... same goes for the rest of the Europe. US really has by far the best pricing for Prius.
     
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    I do not see references to EGR and EHR in the US version of CT200h. It could be one of the reason for lower MPG.

    This piece is from European CT200h:

    A new cooled Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) system that is smaller and lighter compared to those used on other models, and introduces precisely metered exhaust gas into the intake system, further reducing engine operating temperatures, whilst also reducing engine pumping losses

    A smaller, lighter, 3rd generation of Exhaust Heat Recovery (EHR) system that more efficiently redirects exhaust gases to heat the engine coolant at start up.​
     
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    Ours starts at Cdn$30,950 but the standard features are slightly different. I think you guys get 17" alloys as standard? For us, we get 16" alloys as standard (they look quite nice and quite difficult to distinguish from the 17" alloys even though they were side-by-side).

    A Touring Package adds the moonroof and 17" alloys and brings the price up to $32,900.

    A Premium Package is has the equipment from your Leather Package and Premium Audio Package but adds a backup camera to the mix and puts the price tag at $35,900

    A Technology Package adds nav and LED headlights/headlight washers for $39,350. No DRCC or PCS available (Although our front Lexus emblem is covered as if it did have DRCC).

    PDI is $1,950
    Federal A/C Excise tax is $100
    GST is 5% (national)

    Each province/territory has its own tire/battery levy (depending if the province/territory recycles them) and provincial/territorial sales tax ranges from 0% to 10%.
    Prairie provinces add a block heater as standard fare (so add the accessory price to it)
    Ontario has a $100 rebate for fuel efficient cars taken at POP.


    So a base car in the Alberta is $34,697 and in Prince Edward Island $38,143 while a loaded vehicle in Alberta is $43,496 and in Prince Edward Island, it's $47,846

    Depends. Apparently demand in Europe and the US is strong so we may not get as many units. Plus, we have small car buying population anyway.

    Ahh I see. Well chances are, it won't show up here. Lexus Canada list of accessories for their models are quite limited. Usually it's rubber mats, block heater, cargo mat (carpeted) or cargo liner (rubber).

    For the CT, the accessories listed are block heater, cargo net, rear bumper protector and bodyside mouldings.
     
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    200H predicted tire life

    After reading the 200H threads, I decided to go by my local Lexus
    dealer to see one first hand.

    I went today, a coolish rainy day, to avoid crowds (??), and salesman
    "assistance." Unfortunately, no 200Hs on the lot.

    I walked 'round a 250H and saw a window sticker that caused a double
    take. It cautioned something to the effect of expecting only 20K miles
    of tread life on the OEM tires.

    The Lexus website specs page has the same/similar warning for the
    200H in the greyed out area at the bottom of the page:

    17-in performance tires are expected to experience greater tire wear
    than conventional tires. Tire life may be substantially less than 20,000
    miles, depending upon driving conditions.


    That's gonna eat up a whole lotta' gas savings.
     
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    I found this great video on the web; it's got great visuals and outlines the product strategy, hybrid system features, and some other items I have eluded to (mentioned by factory reps) but not seen yet (the dash trim kits.)

    That's the good news. It's in Japanese (any Prius Chatters that are native speakers that could translate, I would appreciate it!) but the visuals as I said are mostly in english or mixed language. I like the drag footprint!

     
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    arigatou gozamimasu
     
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    Wow, that spider web chart is a good one. Two things that stick out, CO (carbon monoxide) and NV (noise + vibration). I hope someone can translate the rest.

    The video also confirm that Sport mode use 650V. Eco and Normal only use 500V.

    It has graphs that shows how much NV the performance dampers reduced. Awesome!
     
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    So how is this different from the Yamaha sport strut brace/damper found on the 2005-2006 Corolla XRS? (it has a boot that looks like it can flex, similar to the CT)
     
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    CT200h has Yamaha dampers also.
     
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    Maybe it's not too far from the XRS' one then?
     
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    HS tires

    I had an HS for a week (won a free test drive of it). I also recall the above warnings either on the window sticker or in the manual. I also recall seeing similar warnings on some other Lexuses sitting at the dealer.

    I wonder of this is in response to the supposedly short tire life on 07 Siennas (Consumer Reports Cars Blog: Toyota Sienna AWD run-flat tires wear well for us). I also wonder if the Sienna had a similar warning on it.

    Side note (and a tangent): The most extreme case I've heard of for short OEM life from a mainstream automaker is the Acura NSX (Acura Tire Wear Comes Under Fire - NYTimes.com and Tire Wear - NSX Prime).
     
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    Did the acceleration feel adequate for freeway merging, etc?

    Thanks.
     
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    Re: HS tires

    that has nothing to do with Siennas runflats... CT200h is sporty hybrid so it has tires to match... if you want, you can replace them with something less sticky and more lasting... looking over at HS forums, they seem to be holding up fine.
     
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    So how about it guys... from a PRIUS drivers perspective, do you think you could get mid 40's mpg by taking it easy on the accelerator or hypermiling? :D
     
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    ^^ with the right tyres, yes.
     
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    It shouldn't be that hard to do... :)