Craving to trade in my PIP for a Tesla Model S

There are some great deals on Leafs.. (even cheaper might be an iMev which last few months had agressive pricing (not as good as Jan/Feb when they were doing $99/month leases). The Leaf S also has some very good rates for either lease/purchase, with the list price < 30K. Both LeaS and iMev are a bit more of an econox feel but decent EV driving... Leaf SL is nicer. The Rav4 is not near as low price, though you are getting a 60K vehicle at 40K pricing. Any way you slice it, with a prius as your long range car any EV+Prius is a great combo.

 

Go to PlugIn America.com they have a price list of the most affordable plug-ins right now.
What is the Most Affordable EV? | Plug In America

 

This a symptom of excitement. You realize you're trying to equate fuel economy between an SUV, compact car and luxury sedan, right?

Of course the SUV gets the worst fuel economy. It doesn't matter if it's electric. It's still a box on wheels. I'm sure you'll realize this once you calm down. Curb your enthusiasm when you get to the dealership and yeah. I thinks it's a great idea. $88 a month on a 24 month lease on a Leaf with I think $2000 down.

 

Going to Vegas is always a bit of a gamble anyway.

Mike

 

It all comes down to fuel efficiency...for electrics it is watt-hours per mile (lower is better) or kilowatt-hours per 100 miles (lower is better).

Leaf: 270 watt-hr per mile
Tesla Model S: 350 wh/m
Volt: 330 wh/m
PIP: 245 wh/m
Fusion Energi: 312 wh/m
Rav 4: 380 wh/m

Mike

 

Where did you get that number for the PiP? The others look like EPA numbers but the PiP cannot complete the EPA test in EV mode it uses gas as well. One cannot meaningfully take just the eletricity used on that test and estimate wh/m since the gas engine also was used (both for direct hybrid propulsion and probably charging the battery as well more eletricity). the PiP is not using EV on the most energy intensive parts of the test. Its like comparing Wh/m on the EPA test to the wh/m on the EU test -- its not measuring the same thing so not directly comparable.

 

These are EV only. PIP = 2.7 kwh for 11 miles...therefore 2700/11 = 245. I actually get ~190 so it is believable.
None include any charging losses AFAIK.

Mike

 

I think DrInovation is referring to your use of EPA numbers for the other models and non-EPA numbers for the PiP. Your extrapolation of 2.7kWh/11 miles is not per EPA.

for what it's worth, I routinely get 153Wh/m in my Volt when not using the heater (aka PiP mode).

153wh/m | PriusChat

 

But the 11 miles in EPA testing included using gas.. i.e. its the easy miles of the EPA testing.
(And EPA testing does incude charging losses 3.1kW for PiP charging, 12.9 for 2012 Volt)


To do apple to apple comparison on efficency, Maybe a better place to look is at the EU testing, where the pip can complte the cycle without using the ICE and where it gets 23km on EV for an efficiency of 134.7 Watt/km or 216.8 Watt/mile
For EU testing the 2012 Ampera/Volt wen 83km yielding 154.4 W/km or 250Watt/mile.
For Eu testing the 2012 Leaf went 200km yielding 108.8 W/kM or 175W/mile

On EU testing the PiP is more efficient than the Volt, but not by near as much as you table suggsts, and the Leaf is far more efficient than either on EU testing but less efficient in your table.

 

I tried to get my wife a Model S but she said, "too flashy, too conspicuous"--she preferred the refrigerator-white PiP.

My kids have a different opinion, however, so perhaps next time she will be swayed by them.

 

Everyone craves a Model S. Join the crowd. I just crave my money even more.

 

Discipline, don't leave home without it.

 

My PiP's average electricity consumption is 103 Wh/mi. That's from 6 months worth of data including the winter.

PiP reports it used 457 kWh of electricity for a total 4,445 miles on odometer.

 

I thought the topic was electricity consumption, Watt-Hour per mile. Why are you discussing gas?

 

If I stayed below 60mph like the PiP EV I might get that low as well.

 

According to Fuelly, you are averaging 288 Wh/mi.

 

I'll check out the fuelly calcs but that's what happens when you let a 22 year old boy hot rod around town in an EV with unlimited electric charging.

 

If you had read the whole post you'd find I was saying it was comparing different things.. one was gas+eletricity, one pure eletricity which means it was implicitly a different test hence incomparable. Then I provided the best data I know of whichis the New EU driving where all the cars can complete it using just EV.. Showing the Leaf is more efficient than the PiP..

 

the bar is getting raised higher and higher, if car manufacturers want to excite the public they have to give them something worth paying for.

Tesla is today what Prius was 10 years ago, exciting efficient but yet more expensive and many were afraid to take the jump even though everyone knew that's the direction things would be heading it wasn't a good decision for that day except for a few.

I think the PI P is a great car but there's just too much competition and other things to look at for the money .

I'm going to take my wifes attitude as the attitude of the general public and say if people are going to go to the trouble to have to plug in they want something notable to show for it without it costing an arm and a leg otherwise the old way is just fine for a busy lifestyle

Sure most of us geeks love the hassle of plugging in as its a toy, but most just aren't into extra work especially if it cost more.

I still think pip is one of the best choices, but the margin is slim.

Alan.. Sent with Tapatalk 2

 

I guess she hasn't driven a Model S yet, or a 25 year old toy boy. I hope she drives the Model S first.