Comparison with Hyundai ioniq?

From my mechanic vision and understanding little more in detail all this difference in setups from hybrid to transmission choice i will any day take Toyota setup as first choice then second Honda......hyundai way of setup is not so great in life expectancy and will lead to much more costly repair especially if you consider number of used car's some day against Toyota....

 

Some people are taking decision on cost to buy , some on way it looks, some that decided to keep car for long time will definitely consider all bads and goods over lifetime of company making similar type of car line and
Toyota is here fighting own game to improve already so good Car ....

 

Here a video showing how the plug-in hybrid system is displayed and how it looks like.

Also, the Hyundai press release.

2017 Hyundai IONIQ Plug-in Hybrid Overview Release

Jan

 

I'd agree, if you're looking for a LONG-LIFE product. Hybrid Synergy Drive has the miles on the road, one of the most reliable transmissions ever. DualClutch transmissions are yet to be proven. VW and FORD have had serious problems in recent years - I seriously doubt if they'll make the distances HSD has.

I tend to replace cars soon after the warranty finishes, so it's not such a concern to me - unless my circumstances change.

 

Competition is nice for all of people that buy this type of cars....but comparing Hyundai against Toyota is from my perspective nonsense.....
Toyota is well established company and Hyundai is still company that trying to take on companies that have very well established name
Let me just say Hyundai are my biggest percentage of cars i work all the time and are with low miles and age ....where Toyota....Honda....Subaru are at very high miles or age before they need some major work done ....
No wonder why they use Mercedes Benz diesel engines in Europe.....and that will give you picture how well they have R&D behind Hyundai name.....

 

hate the shifter on all these competitors. love the phone tray on the gen 4. is it a big deal? it is to me.

 

Well the Prius Prime Plus cost me $28.5k. <grins>

I am slowly using my member controls to turn off the Ioniq 'infomercials' in part because they dilute Prius content and I bought two, plug-in hybrids in 2016:

• Why the BMW i3-REx | PriusChat
• Prius Prime Plus in my hands | PriusChat

Meanwhile, no Ioniq is available for sale in the USA until at least April and their plug-in, a long time later.

Bob Wilson

 

I agree the eCVT of the Prius is my preference over a 6 speed gear change transmission. I've never minded the sound. In fact we rented a Corola this week and the gear change was quite noticeable to me whereas our Prius is smoother. i also think the synergy (brilliant) will be much more reliable.

There seems to be a general dislike for CVTs due to the way they behave when driving them. Not so for me.

 

so much so, that toyota is adding fake gear shifts to the 2018 hycam.

 

Our Prii are the first cars with CVT that I've ever owned or driven. Didn't think I'd like it. But in fact, I now love it.

Posted via the PriusChat mobile app.

 

The "CVT" in PRIUS is completely different from the CVT in other cars (SUBARU, NISSAN, COROLLA, HONDA et al). It has been described as an "eCVT" and HSD (Hybrid Synergy Drive), but salesmen tend to call it a CVT.

There is no belt like every other CVT, but a Petrol/Gasoline Engine and 2 Electric Motor/Generators drive very cleverly through an Epicyclic Gearset - totally different from the belt drive CVT.

Consequently, driving characteristics are very different too, one aspect being the integral, almost silent electric drive.

 

Now should I open this forum on how this transmission is different from real manual stick shift......
To me that i love and have car with manual in automatic transmission car i only care on how smooth it delivered power and if tachometer is available to see little drop in rpm.....
Toyota design of prius last generation is made so smooth in transition between electric and engine and still outperform last design in efficiency.....this is not easy task for engineering staff to outdone already great transmission.....
For all that think that this transmission is not made tough and long lasting i would like to discuss this with people that want from this type of transmission something that only pure stick shift or semi automated transmission can deliver....where this transmission are made for entirely different purposes..far away from delivering efficiency.....
So please focus yourself on purpose of car you have purchased.....

 

I thought all recent Corollas were CVTs with "fake gears". I think one of the sport trims still has a manual option.

 

I will not change manufacturers (or model) until they catch up with the Prius.
My favorite features that I cannot now do without in a car are; neat little gear selector (switch), HUD, Digital MFD and speedo on top centre of dash and silky smooth eCVT, the rest of the tech is gravy.

 

I want to avoid being argumentative, so I'll agree with you on the above statement.
But I would point out that for some of us, there are other factors to consider: Price; warranty and looks.

Since none of us in the US have seen an Ioniq, and certainly have no information about the price or warranty, the first two points are not spoken with a lot of conviction. We will just have to wait and see. The third point is a matter of personal preference. I like the pictures of the Ioniq .... but have not seen the actual vehicle.

So, for now, I'll agree with your assessment, but my change my opinion in time.

 

I'd agree - it is apparently coming here next year - with 12 month servicing (instead of TOYOTA's annoying 6 month) and 5 year warranty.

And there has been mention of a KIA variant - which has been a sportier upgrade to most other HYUNDAI models - also has 12 month servicing, but 7 year warranty.

 

It was meant to be a sort of tongue-in-cheek statement I made, not too serious.
For example, purely for fun, I'm looking to buy a 1970s Triumph Stag V8 soon, which has none of my aforementioned features.
I will of course be keeping the Gen 4 for sensible motoring.

 

The Ioniq's (and Kia Niro's) 1.6L engine will have a drive belt driving a water pump. I don't know why Hyundai did not use an electric water pump like the Prius. One of the reason I bought the Prius was because it is belt-less (easier maintenance).

Also, North-American Ioniq will NOT have a 12v battery, while the European Ioniq will have a 12v battery (in the trunk). The North-American Ioniq Li-ion battery will have its portion dedicated only to starting the car, which will replicate the 12v battery. I'm guessing this portion is reserved and cannot be used as a traction battery, or else if the whole Li-ion battery is discharged, you cannot start the car?

 

sounds right. can't be more than a small percent. anyway, it's a hybrid. all that matters is mpg's.