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    update found the purge sensor disconnected. plugged in got 34 mpg in traffic today. normally 38-40 on 70 degree days.
    i don't think its 1 tooth off. i listened here thinking it was a head gasket with a cheap bad borescope..the pistons looked night and day all good.
    i get the rumble when it starts 40% of the time. and on taking off till 30 mph. if i floor the car it goes fast.
    in the past a clean egr cooler fixed this. runs just a little worst before much better.
    in the suburbs. the car gets 40 mpg to 50 mpg. before new gasket.
    i also had Rumble with a bad hybrid battery. could I have a bad injector.?? thanks in advance
     
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    You should go over EVERYTHING. Check every connector,hose, everything.
    You've found several things not connected.... you may have more.
     
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    Seems like all is connected proper. 2 things.
    Should I spray the manifold with soapy water to see if I got a leak.?
    And the fuel injectors were very grimy on the exterior. Is it possible while I removed they and spray cleaned them. I got 1 more cloged?
    At this point besides timing chain. I don't know what to look for. Overall the car don't run horrible.
    Just the rumble when starting. But like this am after sitting.it may not rumble over night . But will thur out the day. During fuel acceleration. At fuel power it's good.
    Upon checking the timing marks. Other guy here says on crank you can see the marks ??
    Explain how.
    I have no problem removal of covers to check. I just think it's something simple.
    No more codes . Had a engine power code and cly 1 code. All are gone now.
    not just in historical. But regular code.
    Evap Code is only code left in history only. All codes are gone. No check engine 100+miles driven in city 50. Screenshot_20240930_084939_Gallery.jpg
     
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    Remove the rocker cover. Rotate crank shaft to TDC.
    Look at the cam sprockets, do they line up like they did when you first put
    the timing chain on? You will NOT get the timing chain colored link, unless you are
    lucky, or turn the crank enough times so they do. Just look where the SPROCKETS are.
    If they are on the marks, or place, then the timing is good.

    Don't spray water on the intake. Spray carb cleaner where the intake mates to the head.
    And spray any vacuum connections. (while the engine is running). If there is a leak, the engine
    will change speeds.

    If the injectors were fine before doing the head gasket, it's likely they still are.
     
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    Tks.
     
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    Coming to think after checking everything. Car has power. Rumble during take off. Cones and goes. Same as idle. Great than just ok.
    Mpg today normally 38 -40 at 60 degrees out 32 mpg. Wife's birthday is tommorow 51..
    Thinking you may be correct. The head gasket is not so hard like all say. Like a puzzle alot of steps only.
    If I would install the chain again. I would put maybe grease on crank to hold chain. Or a baby string that won't hurt the engine. Tie the chain to the crank only...
     
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    When looking at the crank. How do I tell if it's lined up to the chain. In the picture . Thanks for the picture.
     
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    You should be able to see the bottom colored link assuming the other two colored links are aligned properly.

    Hopefully you bought oem plugs and injectors and did not get counterfeits which usually sell for 1/3 or less than dealer. Remember you had disconnected devices when you changed actual oem parts which are usually very long lived.
     
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    Long shot but happens:

    In an earlier post you said

    “I also had Rumble with a bad hybrid battery. could I have a bad injector?”

    Makes me wonder if your “rumble” was not actually Pinging / Knocking / Preignition caused by low octane gas in a carboned up engine and or a low hv battery charge in a carboned up engine?

    If it only happens with the hv battery state of charge is low or it clears up with a tank of Premium high octane then it is likely Pinging requiring another hv battery and or carbon removal.

    A failing hv battery (is yours a used / or reconditioned replacement?) would also reduce mpg by 5-6 mpg.

    Again this is a long shot but pinging is easily recognizable by an experienced older mechanic.
     
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    Thanks for your answers. Let me clear up a few things. All oem parts.
    No big carbon anywhere on disable.
    Big carbon on intake and egr cooler many months ago.
    It's not pinging. 62 years old. Old guy here
    Seemed before I brought the battery it was worst.. got alot better with the h.v
    Battery .
    Before I took it all apart . It had the rumble very little. Just loss of coolant.
    I am no descriptive proper about the description. First off all codes are gone.
    Seems to me you are correct with the timing change. As it's best described as a misfire and start and low speeds mpg 32. 2 weeks ago 40 +
    If the bottom timing mark on the crank lines up. But the cams are off. Remove the cover and reset the timing gears.
    I strongly believe that this makes sense as the crank gear on the chain could easily move. During install...
     
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    The chain SHOULD be tight from exhaust cam sprocket to intake sprocket to timing chain guide,
    to crankshaft sprocket.
    The only loose part that would be loose, would be the exhaust side chain guide to the exhaust sprocket.
    "IF" you install the timing cover slowly and carefully it will not just a tooth, it can't, the chain is too tight.
    Then you slowly install the chain tensioner, then turn the crank back SLOWLY, you WILL hear a "click",
    when the clip holding the tensioner pin in releases and the pin springs forward.

    IF you put the chain on correctly, the timing will not be off.
     
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    Think it's best. Just to pull the cover off and look closely. It's not that hard. Take a couple hours complete?
     
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    You do NOT, I repeat, NOT NOT NOT have to remove the timing cover.
    Now if you want to, go for it. But you could just have the same issue if you don't
    install the cover correctly.

    If you JUST remove the rocker cover, so you can see the cam sprockets, you'll be
    able to put the crank shaft at TDC, for #1, on the compression stroke.
    Then check the sprockets. They should be in the position they were when you put
    the chain on. If they don't, then your timing chain is off. If they are, NO reason to
    remove the timing cover. You will save an hour or 2....

    But do what you want...


     
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    Ok t.y. if they are incorrect. Must remove the cover to fix if it's off alittle. 1 or 2 links..I will do as you explained on sunday.. say wife's birthday. If they look incorrect. I will remove the cover and repeat the setup.
     
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    IF you want too, remove the spark plugs so the engine is easy to turn.
    Then rotate the engine until you are at TDC and the gold chain links link up on the
    Cam sprockets, like on the initial set up.
    Depending on where they are, it cold take up to 30 complete turns to get them there.
    Easier if you have someone either rotate the engine, or watch for the marks....

     
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    Tks. Will do.
     
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    I’m thinking counterclockwise, but can you confirm?
     
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    Thank you for all the great info you post for us..it's super value..
     
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