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Cleaned EGR valve, not sure if full circuit is needed. 111k miles

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  1. gboss

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    Here are both sides of the cooler. Do you see carbon clogs? To my newb eye I can't see any (there are still bubbles in there as it is still drying from the recent wash). If see carbon or suggest another clean...I think it would be interesting to test either a dish pod or baking soda as those are a much more potent version of Dawn Dish soap. Never tried a pod but baking soda has cleaned out my ovens before.
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    And here is a shot pointed up at a ceiling light:
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    Oh yeah, I've been at it over a couple of days. Let it dry. Jammed in the clothes hanger (and wiper blade wire). Cleaning soak. Wire..repeat.
     
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    Days versus minutes??? MMMM (n):whistle:

    I believe it's clean enough.
    You should search ebay, and use duck duck go to search junk yards for the EGR Cooler.
    Get a spare and clean it up for the next time. It will save you a LOT of time and heart ache...
     
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    That’s looking pretty good. With EGR cleaning, you want to get the cooler cleaning started as early as possible; it’s the time consuming part.

    There’s maybe a slight “patina” of carbon on the convoluted fins, hard to tell.

    keep in mind, it’s not just “clogs” you’re trying to dispel; the main object of that contraption is to cool the exhaust gasses, and even a thin layer of carbon reduces it’s efficacy.
     
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    Thanks, yeah I'm thinking this is good enough to throw on so will knock that out.

    For what it's worth, I found the 'bolt from hell' to be incredible easy, but the two studs holding the cooler on to be incredible difficult to remove (I lost my 12mm socket down in the engine trying to get these things off).

    Reached my arm around backside of the engine and used this tool on the bolt from hell....it took all of 30 seconds to remove:
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    Make sure you connect the pcv hose to the intake manifold when you put the intake
    manifold back on. It's right next to the top coolant hose on the throttle body.
    Because if you don't, the hybrid battery will turn the engine over, but it won't start.
    And you'll get the "check hybrid system" on the display... :(:whistle:

    Then you'll have to remove the air filter housing to install it....
    How do I know this???? (n):whistle:

    I cleaned my egr system today. Pretty quick when you have an already cleaned
    spare cooler!
    I also changed the trans fluid and the engine coolant. No issues with air in the system
    because I fill about a cup at a time and VERY slowly, and wait for it to flow out of the
    coolant tank.

    After connecting the pcv hose, and reinstalling the air filter housing, in the hot sun, the
    engine started, ran rough for 3 or 4 second then smoothed out.

    The cooler was completely blocked, but everything else just had soot. Easy to clean out.
    The 4 egr holes in the manifold were not blocked.
    The engine runs VERY smooth again.
     
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    It’s really interesting how different the mindset is on the Prius subReddit versus this forum. Here on Priuschat everyone is set on cleaning the EGR as a preventative to prevent uneven heat distribution on the engine block, but on Reddit everyone says it’s a worthless endeavor if you’re doing EGR cleaning to save your head gasket because the head gasket will inevitably fail from engine cycling (on and off hundreds of times while driving) - the aluminum head expansion/contraction on an iron block during frequent hybrid cycling is what kills it.

    The Reddit mafia does agree EGR is a good thing to do to keep the engine running efficiently but they say that all of the Gen 3 cars with the original flat head gasket design will have head gasket issues between 160K-190k miles - but swapping to the different profile Felpro head gasket design used as a replacement is one of the true fixes for head gasket issues.

    What do you guys think?
     
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    Everyone has their idea of why the head gasket fails.
    My personal opinion is that it's a little of each.
    I only went 301,000 before my head gasket failed....

    And only time will tell if the felpro gasket "fixes" a head gasket failure...
    No one has reported going 2-300,000 miles with it. And if they don't clean the cooler
    and intake manifold....
     
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    EGR circuit, spark plugs, and engine coolant done. Took it out for an Italian test drive and it seems to run ok! No codes being thrown and maybe it's placebo, but it does seem to accelerate a bit faster and sound less choked going uphill.

    Big thanks to everyone who helped out. What a PIA this EGR stuff was, but I can definitely see it being faster the second time.
     
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    Glad it all worked out!
    And yes, it does run better, and a different sound. It's not struggling.
    If you clean it out every 50,000 miles or so it will be easier to clean the cooler.
    A spare cooler helps...

     
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    I will offer another version of overheating.
    The engine coolant pump loses its efficiency due to small cracks on the impeller rotor, the coolant circulation is not ensured at high speed at high revs, the engine head overheats.
    On Gen2, the pump was mechanical and reliable.
     
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    Still, the head gasket failure so often starts at cylinder one exhaust, and the EGR passages in intake clog asymmetrically, with cylinder one passage prone to completely clog first.
     
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    When should people replace that fan or how to check the state of its rotor?
     
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    IIRC @Raytheeagle posited they're prone to failure by 150k miles. Going by that, I'd say replacement every 100k miles would be prudent. Something you might only do once.

    I'm thinking to do ours at the next engine coolant change. First coolant change was at the 10 year mark, and a mere 88K kms, but it's distance or date, whichever comes first, and I stuck with that. I'll do another coolant change at the 15 year mark (a year and a bit from now, and we're currently around 101K kms), even with the ever slowing accumulation of "miles", with both my wife and I retired. But it'll be a once thing, and good to get out of the way.

    Probably with this:

    Buy AISIN WPT190 Pump, Water. Prices, fast shipping, photos, weight - Amayama

    And just for insurance hang onto the old one...
     
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    I changed my water pump at 150K just for insurance, am now at 224K with no issues. And yes I kept the old one just in case!
     
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    Not sure if was the EGR cleaning, the new spark plugs, or the new air filter but I just finished a 1700 mile trip at 49mpg instead of my usual 45.3mpg (I have the larger 17” rims).

    I was hypermiling on this trip so not exactly normal driving but I’m impressed I have +4 mpg considering the age of the battery. Awesome
     
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    Could just be the long drives plus your attention to driving style. Nevertheless your engine thanks you. :)
     
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    For sure. I thought about the extended trip being a factor, but I’ve already done 6000 and 4500 mile trips the last couple of years and couldn’t manage to get it above 45.3mpg. Most of this trip was up near the Canadian border, so I don’t know if temperature makes a difference, but let’s hope I can continue this trend.
     
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    Yeah I wouldn't expect EGR cleaning to improve mpg, it's roughly akin to doing an oil change or coolant change, just good for the engine's well-being.

    Geez our 2010 is the spitting image of yours, silver with the Canadian "Touring" package. When we were wandering around the dealership lot (awash in 2010 Prius), I couldn't stomach the look of those 15" plastic wheel covers. Plus we'd test driven one of those first, and then a few days later test-drove our Touring: night-and-day difference in the steering feel, felt planted/sure in comparison.
     
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    Agreed, this thing handles incredibly well. What kind of mpg do you get on average with our wheels?
     
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    Currently 4.9 liters per 100 km. If on a phone turn it landscape and you’ll see the Fuely badge. We do a little better in winter, with Michelin snows in 15” size, or about neck and neck.

    with the 17’s I replaced OEM Michelin Pilots with Primacy MXM4, and mpg nose dived. About 4 years back I’d guess, slowly climbing out of that hole.
     
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