Chevrolet Commits to Bolt EV Production...

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  1. dbcassidy

    dbcassidy Toyota Hybrid Nation, 8 Million Strong

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    High volume does not mean high sales. It can translate into over production for the market segment (IE: over satuation).

    It remains to be seen how GM well planned and executed sales and marketing pans out with actual sales.

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  2. john1701a

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    Being misquoted is a common problem. So is being distracted by semantics. But in this case, it doesn't make any sense. The 5,000 PER MONTH has been brought up every months for many, many years now. It's been the same goal all along... for over a decade, in fact.

    Remember why the goal was set?
     
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    This is exactly why I want to make sure I am clear on what you mean. I don't want to misquote you.
    Does that 5000/month still hold beyond two years?
    Seems an odd qualification. Wouldn't "high volume" be independant of the date that quantity is reached?

    As I recall, GM estimated that level of sales for the Volt.
    I wouldn't, however, expect you to make your definition of "high volume" based upon an incorrect sales estimate from GM.
    While not critical, I'd be interested in why you pick that particular number.
     
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    GM press releases refer to it as the Bolt EV or electric car. The Spark EV is a BEV, and the Volt has always been an EREV. If the 200 miles includes some ICE range extender, people will be more upset than when they found out the Volt wasn't a pure serial hybrid.

    That doesn't rule out another type of range extender. The projected price is too cheap for a fuel cell. A primary battery like an Al-air one could be possible. They have only talked about the partnership with LG-chem for the batteries. Could they have something in the works?

    But batteries for EVs have been steadily improving. The next Volt's battery has a little more capacity than the current one while being smaller and 20% lighter. The Tesla S60 has a 208 mile EPA range. The Soul EV has a 27kWh pack with 93 miles of range. The current Leaf is 24kWh for 84 miles, and Nissan is going for 150 miles in the second generation.

    So a 200 mile BEV can be done. The real question is can GM meet their price target for that range?
     
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    john1701a Prius Guru

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    MAINSTREAM MINIMUM is the milestone we've been discussing for years. There is nothing to clarify. It's a topic that has been beaten to death.

    It's an industry standard that even Prius was held against, way back when the second-gen was rolled out.
     
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    You've been using similar terms for quite some time, but rarely do you mention exactly what it means.
    So the 5,000/month, is that an average over a year?
    What happened if 6,000 are sold eleven months, and 4,900 the twelfth?

    If you have spelled this out, either in an earlier post or your blog, perhaps a link would be easier?

    Again, is this U.S. Sales or worldwide?

    And again, why the mention of two years?
     
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    john1701a Prius Guru

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    No more agains.

    Remember the all BOLD CAPITAL response a few weeks back that I told you to bookmark?

    It was because I was tired of having to re-answer those same questions in each new thread.

    You may thrive on repeating discussions, but the pattern shows that isn't productive.
     
  8. Zythryn

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    This is the only post I find of yours from three weeks ago.

    I'll keep looking. It would be easier if you just told me if you mean U.S. Sales or worldwide, and if the 5,000 number needs to be reached once, or consistently, or if an average over a year is acceptable.

    Edit----
    I found this one, but again, it has no hard numbers.

    Since you said you had told me to bookmark it, I also searched for any post of yours that included the word "bookmark". The post in this thread made today is the only one found.

    John, I'm fine with any definition of "high volume", or "mainstream" you want to use. All I am asking for is a number, and weather or not that number can be reached once, or needs to be maintained.

    So for example, if Prius sales in the U.S. fell below your 5,000/month sales number for a single month, would it no longer be considered "high volume" for that month?
     
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    john1701a Prius Guru

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    If you really want answers, start a new thread.

    A thread dedicated to a specific question is the first step toward being productive.

    Content buried within will never provide the clarity you seek.... hence the repeating pattern.
     
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    Odd request, but if you think that will work, sure.
     
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    Not sure how the effort to make answers easier to find is an odd request.

    The fact that the same questions over and over and over and over again hijack threads should be a dead giveaway there's a problem finding answers. A thread to refer to would help tremendously.

    Purpose is quickly lost when the basics aren't addressed. Ever notice how participation of others drops as a result?
     
  12. Zythryn

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    Frankly John, I have yet to get a clear answer from you and have been unable to find one beyond 5,000/month, with no clarification if that was U.S. or world sales.

    However, a central place to find the information is a good idea and I have started a thread on the subject. If you have input I would welcome it.
    What is your definition of high volume sales? | PriusChat
     
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