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Funny you should mention that still seems to be the case with a lot of new Tesla owners and not only in reference to out of pocket costs of charging.
Man that stuff got real old real fast for me after Model 3 was released. Than to see only raves about everything Tesla here in the hopes of converting a Prime market for possible new Tesla owners doubled down my pervious interest.
Not saying I still don't admire a lot of things Tesla related, which I do, but the bias is a bit hard to put into perspective, over all.

 

I'm pretty sure that when you are in the lead of a market with a lot of wanna-be competitors, you want to sell as many as possible as fast as possible. If you don't rush to the finish line you may never find yourself in first place again.

 

musk isn't interested in being number one. he is interested in getting the other car makers interested.

so far, i think he is succeeding.

i agree that he is also succeeding in making as many as fast as possible, but that is secondary.

 

should be $0 - $2,600 because as a DIY'er with a little bit of patience and safety, you can do it yourself. While diligently searching for online deals, we found a Canadian fella who bought pallet load of Tesla wall Chargers which he got incentive money for. That allowed him to sell on the super cheap. After all the personal stinker deals made over the decades, it was nice to recoup some of the many bad money payouts.

 

How is selling everything you make, while also building more production, not selling as many as possible as fast as possible?

There are fans here of the Tesla can do no wrong, but there is also regular postings from the other side.

I like what Tesla has done for the BEV market, but now that there is some choices actually for sale in my state, I have no interest in owning one. My defense here is no different than what I had to the anti hybrid and Prius posts we'd get in the past.

 

Well, if you are going to include the one in a lifetime deals as well as cobbled together DIY, you should also include the $25,000 for a level 3 fast DC installed in your home.

But we were talking about the normal cost of things.

 

A home supercharger would require 480v 3 phase at home (as well as that transformer used for your ½ dozen homes surrounding you being upgraded) & that's not something that is easily done by anyone (above DIY'er - but thanks for the silliness anyway ). That said, we DID install a step up transforme & USED rotary 3-phase converter motor at dad's - so we could run our USED Bridgeport mill.
There are actually a few underpowered DC home Chargers available - but it doesn't really pay to charge at or above 20kW at home. Most electric cars have an algorithm that counts high DC charge rates above that amount. Once a numbered threshold of charges is satisfied, high-end charge power, as well as top end thresholds are throttled back - to assure battery capacity longevity, as well as avoiding battery warranty capacity issues.
. https://electrek.co/2021/05/24/tesla-found-guilty-throttling-charging-speed-asked-pay-16000-thousands-owners/
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Tesla Found Guilty Of Throttling Battery Life, Charging Speed In Norway

 

Installing a charger is cheap. Anyone could DIY. It is running the wiring to get to the charger that costs and there isn't any zero costs for the proper gauge cable, conduit and outlet. I had a quote of $2,000 and my run doesn't include any sheet rock (the entire run would be exposed) but does include drilling through one slab of above ground foundation concrete and 45 feet of cable. Licensed electrician done to code. My box will handle the load. And if it couldn't, it could be a lot more.

 

While reading the links in Hills post #108 above, I stopped my scroll at the new Tesla Roadster SpaceX edition.
For those interested the article is https://electrek.co/2021/05/20/tesla-roadster-design-0-60-mph-1-sec-spacex-package/

I'm still wondering if throttling charging speed was / is STILL not fully understood by new owners or the legal system. Without proper throttled charging, especially of cold soaked and or overheated packs. lots more damage to both vehicle and occupant would certainly increase exponentially.
Not that a new green owner of an electric vehicle should have to understand something as simple as battery pack degradation, or should they?

 

The Battery Management System (BMS) handles the rate of charge if the pack is too cold or too hot.
The supposed throttling for too much supercharger use seems to be a boogie man. Used to scare people, but really a situation very, very few will ever face.

 

The thing that pissed us early owners so much about capping the max charge and throttling the charge speed was that it meant more time before you could get back on the road. (Tesla's earliest comment/excuse was, "no big deal it's just a few extra minutes) Remember, owners out-of-court settlement was successful.
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I'd like to understand the difference in Supercharger throttling as experienced both before and after. ie: when did the charge rete start dropping off from max and how far did it drop off. I've got a few more questions about when ( the date Tesla started ) throttling superchargers and what version of superchargers were being used at that time and the chargers max rates back when they started throttling..

My only understanding of long trip supercharging is from this youtube.
youtu.be/ICtBTNRgaNM
it's 50 minutes from the out of spec motoring channel

 

We never noticed any supercharger throttling, over the last 10 years.
I am not saying it didn't happen, just that it never impacted us.
My understanding is some CARS were impacted by this, but I don't know details.

Now, in general, the speed of charging does change as the battery is charged. This type of throttling is done for the health of the battery. So as you get close to full charge, the charging rate slows down.
I believe @bwilson4web has done extensive testing on this?

 

certainly that way on my pip, and other lithium batteries i have.

 

This is the Porsche Audi tradeoff ... less throttling because the upper / lower buffer are much larger. So - less throttling needed. The downside is you're lugging around a lot more weight which kills efficiency. Down side of Tesla is greater chance of pack capacity loss than those that use a larger upper and lower buffer
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Thanks
I was going to ask if one of you could explain the difference, because to me the two posts above appear to state opposite views of the throttling issue.

 

My understanding is that the throttling issue mentioned in the suit, affected a subset of early owners. As I recall, it was a fairly small subset.
I am one of the early owners, and I never noticed any throttling on our cross-country trips.

 

The whole snafu began when too many Tesla's were within battery warranty upgrades. It was a subset indeed ..... owners who were supercharging near exclusivity. The first 5 years of sales were primarily free supercharging owners. Hard not to hook up - when it cost you zero. Even if it was a hookup for just 5-10 minutes - it would add to your personal algorithm.

 

Due to unprecedent demand, Toyota has delayed deliveries to smaller markets. Sorry Australia.

Toyota bZ4X deliveries commence in Europe and North America - NotebookCheck.net News

Makes me wonder if they are intentionally delaying delivering any plug-ins until at least July so customers can get full credit until the end of the year.


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