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Building the Prius in Mexico?

Discussion in 'Gen 4 Prius Main Forum' started by Vike, Feb 29, 2016.

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  1. vince22

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    I bet you that Toyota salesman was a former Volkswagen employee, yap you guest it right they are dishonest company.
     
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    Buy it from "Rob"! That video is hilarious.
     
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    Or maybe they used to work for some American car companies since many US car companies build in Mexico (side note, I enjoyed a discussion with someone who refused to buy a Japanese car because "Buy USA!!" but they probably have a better chance of their car being built in the US if they purchase from a Japanese car company)
     
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    I used to work for a Tier II auto supplier. While we were closing plants over here we were building them in Mexico and China.
     
  5. Rebound

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    No it isn't. If you don't know where the car's built, then say "I don't know."
    Why lie about it?

    At any rate, you can go to a dealership and read the vehicle sticker, and it will state where the car was assembled.
     
  6. Vike

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    This is a good point, and I don't want to lose track of it. I actually don't care where the car is built, only its build state and transit time - because, you know, it's not here for me to look at. The issue was that the salesman, being the sort of marginal psychopath that's typical of the profession, was making up a story as to why I shouldn't be worried about the car not being built yet, since it's only coming from Mexico. This was the sort of lie only likely to last a few hours if I was semi-conscious, or maybe a couple of weeks if I was a sap, but either way it was definitely going to come out to his great detriment. He's now been bounced off the deal, his dealership has a little black mark in its ledger with Toyota USA (for whatever that's worth), and his manager's taken over the sale. That's what psychopaths do - deal with the pain of the moment however works for the moment, and the consequences are Tomorrow Guy's problem.

    And you thought I was "harsh" before? Seriously.
     
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    I can only speak for myself but had I had a dealership do this to me, and I say dealership because the fool of a salesperson you had originally was hired by and represents said dealership, I'd be currently looking at dealer inventory for all dealerships within whatever I consider reasonable driving distance away. Once I found vehicles in their inventory that were the model and color combo I wanted I'd begin calling to see where they are at on price, making it known I would be driving a distance and this is what I want to pay, no back and forths, I've been through this too many times, you either want a sale or not. I guarantee you'd get the car faster, feel better and ultimately not give business to a dealership who is obviously inept.

    To each their own but I've purchased many a new vehicle and wouldn't stand for the crap they're feeding you. Too many dealerships and too many cars to even entertain them any longer.
     
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    There are none. There are exactly two dealerships within 150 miles of my location, and then I'd go out of state. This is my wife's car and she just wants it ASAP, so I'm staying out of it for one more day while she takes pretty much what you've said to the sales manager. I would have blown this up already and waited for the call back, but then it's never been a secret to me that they need to sell cars more than I need to buy one - especially a $30k hybrid in a market with $1.50 gas. There are other reasons that this likely goes forward one way or other that I won't get into on this forum, and it is that reality that is driving my venom. These guys are the scum of the earth, and really need to be replaced by manufacturer stores so they can get back to hustling on street corners where they belong.
     
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    I find most sales people know very little about the cars they sell. Usually now days consumers do most of their research on the internet via car sites or forums like this before entering the dealership. So when buying they usually know exactly what they are getting and using the sales person to just get the deal done.

    So I can see the salesman not even knowing where the Prius is built.

    Now days I usually build the vehicle on the manufacturers site and send out request to five dealerships for the best price. The less I have to deal directly with a salesperson the better.
     
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    Living in the 5 boroughs of NYC, I commonly buy vehicles in NY, NJ, CT and PA so buying out of state isn't an issue, at least around here. I've driven 4-5 hours for the best deal with a dealership that has had what I wanted in the past, but of course how far one is willing to travel is entirely up to them. I hear you about it being her car, and can see you are pissed off like I'd be but man, for nothing would I give that place my business after that stunt.

    I'd almost be tempted to just contact @DianneWhitmire on this forum who sells TONS of Prius in SoCal and drive the darn car back to NM the 12 hours just to keep your dealership from getting a dime. Anyways, I digress as I do understand your perspective on the issue.
     
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    Yes. Which would be exactly what I did. This organization is just too stupid to take money for products. They should fail and their dependents starve.

    I really, really can't. This is poor training on both knowledge and standards of conduct. If their primary function has devolved to order-taking, there are plenty of people out there who could do that quite competently, some likely less gainfully employed than this parasite.

    In general, if car dealerships want to continue to exist, they need to raise their customer service performance by more than I think they can - like ticks, their functions have devolved into bloodsucking. The game of hiding behind franchise laws propped up by corrupt legislators is nearing its end. I don't plan to buy another new car for a long time, but I'm hoping it will be from a manufacturer store, Tesla if there are no others.
     
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    or if we're lucky, they all bankrupt themselves and we'll get manufacturer pricing.(y)
     
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    Nobody's upset that the salesperson didn't know where the car's built, only that the salesperson made up a story instead of just saying he didn't know.
     
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    Bingo.
     
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    What I meant was to check the sticker on any 2016 Prius, not the exact one you're buying.
    Second, I definitely think there's a difference between a Japan-built and a Mexico-built car. When originally choosing between Prius and Camry back in 2010, the Prius' Japanese origin affected my decision.
     
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    maybe there's a secret mexico plant, and he blew their cover.
     
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    It is not uncommon for some models to be sourced from multiple countries. Whether you get a car built in the U.S. or Japan or Korea, etc., may depend on any number of factors. If that were true of the Prius (though we now know it is not), knowing that one Prius came from Japan wouldn't be any assurance that yours would.

    Oddly, the last car that I was happy buying (i.e., the buying experience, not the car, though that was fine too), the 1988 Mercury Tracer, had this sort of complicated sourcing arrangement. As explained in Wikipedia (see Mercury Tracer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia):

    "The Mercury Tracer was assembled in a number of production facilities; the location was dependent on the body style. Three-door hatchbacks were built alongside the Mazda 323 in Hiroshima, Japan. Five-door hatchbacks for the Canadian market were built in Taiwan by Ford Lio Ho, while those for the United States were built in Mexico by Hermosillo Stamping & Assembly, where all station wagons were produced."

    My 4-dr hatchback came from Hermosillo, and it was a great little car, good build quality, etc. Looking at 'em on the lot, the two-doors didn't stand out with any magical asian glow or anything, but perhaps I wasn't looking closely enough ;). I owned a 323 sedan at the time and from the inside you literally could not tell the two cars apart if you covered the logo on the steering wheel and ignored the stickshift vs. slushbox selector between the seats.
     
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    That's the craziest part of this whole story.
    Country of Origin is on the window sticker, where it was assembled as well. Plus all Vin's identify where the vehicle was assembled.

    Plus it wasn't like the OP was looking for exact GPS coordinates.

    Don't really get why Toyota Customer Service would be adversarial to revealing this information.
     
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    Toyota assembled Prius in Thailand and China with CKD (complete knock down) method, only for tax purpose
    and local sale, but ended with Prius Gen. 3 already.
    It is still possible for Toyota to assemble Prius in Mexico, but not now nor in the near future.
    That kind of story will be covered by professional reporters and TMC's annual report.
    IMHO, it is more efficient to assemble the new Prius in Japan while most of the high-tech key components are still only manufactured by Japanese suppliers nearby.

    Toyota Worldwide Operations (as of the end of Dec. 2015)
    Worldwide Operations | TOYOTA Global Newsroom
     
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