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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by windstrings, Oct 22, 2005.

  1. gordonr

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    I've also noticed that when stopped, the ICE may be running, but the MFD doesn't seem to reflect this state accurately. Unless there is some magic, I don't understand how the ICE can be running when stopped, and not be using some gas.
     
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    Using the ScanGage as a reference, there are many time the ICE is running when the MFD shows it to be off. Also with only a few exceptions at freeway speeds going down hill it is using gas. I am watching RPM, gal/hr, coolant temp and % load on the engine. I see the RPM up with .2-.5 gal/hour and % load in the low 20% range above 42 in the city. It appears it is using gas. When I was looking at MPG instead of load I was seeing numbers in the range of 100-300 mpg. For the present the ScanGage is the only available tool for peeking into the workings of HSD. It is not the miniscanner but it is better than nothing.
     
  3. DaveinOlyWA

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    that is interesting... i have not noticed that but i rarely have the energy screen on. i will have to start watching it to see if i can see what you are describing
     
  4. windstrings

    windstrings Certified Prius Breeder

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    Did I catch that the current prius will not generate power above 90 MPH to protect the alternator?
     
  5. windstrings

    windstrings Certified Prius Breeder

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    Wow.. Is this true?....if so thats really nice!.. but then shouldn't the B mode just be removed?... I mean if its to protect the braking for long downhill decents... who would want to "protect the brakes" at the price of turning off the 50K generator to charge the batteries?... Besides... trying to do it yourself would be a real headache trying to monitor and drive at the same time....

    If it does it automatically... thats great.. but why the need to have the option if all it does is cause confusion anyway?

    P.S. Maybe this is why the EV button got removed for the US market?
     
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    B", you'll fill your battery anyway, other than that, forget it's there.

    Why the need to squander power to stop B mode?...whats the problem with B mode activating?

    Unless the airconditioner is something desired anyway?

    Fortunately most of this talk is not necessary.. since the prius just does it all for us.... But its still nice "for the tinkerers" to know whats going on.
     
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    BINGO!!
     
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    Of course the ICE uses gas when it is running and you're stopped; it might be because the car wants to charge the battery, or keep the catalytic converter hot, or keep the cabin heat going. The "energy" screen on the MFD only shows how power is being used for propulsion purposes; this is why Coastaletech sells a little panel with a LED that lights up when the ICE is running (I did not purchase this). If you're not moving at the moment, a calculation of the instantaneous miles per gallon doesn't make sense, which is why the numbers on the "energy" screen don't reflect the fact that the engine is running when stopped. However, the gas usage is accounted for in the time-averaged MPG bar graph of the "consumption" screen.
     
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    Absolutely agree, except to consider that B mode may be appropriate at time to assist in safe control of the car, avoiding a speeding ticket, or a driver may be prepared to sacrifice a tiny amount of energy efficiency for extra convenience or comfort when descending a very long hill.

    Incidentally, I saw my Classic max out for the first time in over 70,000 miles last month on a holiday in Scotland where there are many 5 mile plus hills with a 20-25% gradient (1 in 5 to 1 in 4). In fact it happened at least once every day I was there. When I reached the bottom the car ran in stealth mode for ages until the battery gauge dropped again.

    Regards

    PeteB - 02 Silver 'Classic' - 72k miles
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    (UK ~ US gal ~ I/100Km ~ Km/I)
     
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    I meant to add that B mode on the Classic works with cruise control, which it doesn't on the newer model (in the UK at least)

    PeteB
     
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    Another interesting thing, whilst going up these very long, very steep hills, it didn't use the HV battery like I expected. Even holding 60 mph (the speed limit) for several miles didn't use the battery - it stayed at the usual (for a Classic) 50% or 75% mark, and the display showed power from the engine to the wheels, and from to the engine to the electric motor to the wheels, occasionally even managing to do a little recharging. The same hill that would max out the battery in 4-5 miles going down would not bring it below 50% when going up. This car never ceases to amaze me.

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    (UK ~ US gal ~ I/100Km ~ Km/I)
     
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    Best Driving Strategy:

    Drafting on the highway.
     
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    FYI, with metric display of mileage, i.e. consumption displayed in L/100 km, it's pretty easy to see when the ICE is on. When ICE is off, the displayed consumption is 0.0, when it on the displayed consumption is non-zero. Other than a slight delay to update the display, this makes it easy to see whether the ICE is off or on.

    When it is on but not being used for propulsion (i.e. no arrows from it) the display can read anything from 0.2 L/100 km (equivalent to over 1,000 mpg) to 99.9 L/100 km (the latter occurs when you are stopped with the ICE running, and is an approximation for 0.0 mpg).
     
  14. windstrings

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    Being the expert that I"m not.... Im going off of my excellent dull memory that tells me the spark stops, the fuel is shut off and the either the valves open allowing no compression? and/or I suppose the engine would then turn over from momentum from the wheels and transmission "that it doesn't have".
    Which means this is an only over 42 MPH situation "in most cases"...
    Does that clear the mud? :lol: :unsure:
     
  15. windstrings

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    Humm.. Drafting eh?..... If your by yourself and you don't have anyone that will miss you when you die... I guess thats ok!
    But its a sad waste of a nice car! :lol:

    Even if your odds are terrible enough that you can never win anything.. if you play long enough you will! :rolleyes:
     
  16. windstrings

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    1. Can you explain what is the "scanguage"? Is it on the display somewhere?
    2. And what is the miniscanner... Keep in mind I do not have my car yet.."2006" but I have done a bit of reading and this is the first reference to these terms I've noticed?
    3. And I only thought you could see a readout that would show "99+ MPH".. how do you see the real deal? 100-300?