Bankruptcy for GM soon?

I read on another forum someone saying, based on GM's statements: "The Suburban uses less gasoline than the Prius!" The fine print is that you have to use E85, get 30-40% less mileage, and find a place that sells E85. The statement was true, but it twists the meaning. In the end your using more fuel/gallon than a Prius, just less of it is petroleum based.

 

In general, any and all that you might base your statements on but in this particular case the one that explains how GM is the leader in mpg across all vehicle segments.

 

Why not? Most of the domestic car/truck/suv advertisements I see are doing essentially this anyway. B)

 

It depends how the segments are divided up, I agree. How would you divide up the segments. Seven car segments and four truck van and suv segments?

Obviously spin is a huge part of all of this and who is doing the spinning. This chat room is for Prius enthusiasts who I believe for the most part are driving their prius to help the environment. Does it strike anyone as strange that Jim Press can make a public statement like he did and it is barely questioned on here adn not questioned at all in the media? What would the response have been on here if Bill Ford or Rick Wagoner had made a similar statement and introduced the 'biggest badass truck. It would have been all over here and the media about how unethical GM and Ford are and how all they sell are gas-guzzlers. Toyota makes the announcement and all that is written is what a great truck it must be and it will hurt Ford and GM. Could someone at least admit that to me or wasn't a double standard applied?

 

He said GM leads more segments than any other manufacturer.
But that is just GM making a segment designation every time it suits their whim. I wonder how often a GM segment is a vehicle of one

You and I might place an HHR and a Prius in the same 'segment', but not GM.
Or place a Malibu and a Camry Hybrid in the same 'segment', but again, not GM.

If you want to call Malorn at his game, just ask him to pick the GM competitor to each Toyota or Honda vehicle. We have played this game before. He either says GM does not compete in that 'segment', or picks a vehicle only a GM dealer could offer without blushing.

 

Take out the Prius and the corolla and then show me the toyota dominance over GM. Remember the camry hybrid has not been built yet.

 

Here are the bread-and-butter offerings in a V6 from Toyota and Chevrolet.








EPA Fuel Economy
Camry Malibu Impala
Fuel Type Regular Regular E85 Gasoline

MPG (city) 21 22 16 21

MPG (hwy) 29 32 23 31

MPG (combined) 24 26 19

The Camry accounts for almost 25% of toyota's total sales.

 

Tundra vs silverado

EPA Fuel Economy

Fuel Type Regular Regular
MPG (city) 16 16
MPG (hwy) 20 22
MPG (combined) 17 18

 

Tundra vs silverado 4X4 ext cab

E85 Gasoline Regular
MPG (city) 11 15 15
MPG (hwy) 14 19 18
MPG (combined) 13 16 16

And the silverado can burn E85.

 

Tacoma vs Colorado 4x4 crew cabs

EPA Fuel Economy

Fuel Type Regular Regular
MPG (city) 17 17
MPG (hwy) 21 22
MPG (combined) 19 19

 

Now how many of the Camrys are V-6? I don't know the answer, but when we almost bought a Camry, we were going for the 4cyl.

 

Sequoia vs Tahoe


Fuel Type E85 Gasoline Regular
MPG (city) 11 14 15
MPG (hwy) 14 18 17
MPG (combined) 12 16 16


Again the Tahoe can burn E85.

 

I know i am already way over half of all the vehicles Toyota retailed in 2006. The average person on the street would never believe it. When we start salespeople they are always amazed as to what the fuel rating actually are. the fuel rating comparison have a far larger 'wow' factor if i compared Chevy to say a comparable Nissan. Most people just assume, its Japanese it gets the best fuel mileage and has the best quality.

 

What fraction of the Camry sales are 4 cylinder, and what GM product would you have us compare to (I'll ignore reliability for the sake of argument, although the consumers likely did not).

What GM product shall we compare the 4 Cyl Corolla to ?
What GM product shall we compare the Echo to ?
What GM product shall we compare the 4 Cyl RAV4 to ?

 

Okay, I compared a 4cyl Camry v. 4cyl Malibu. Camry wins by 1mpg on highway, city they are equal. Camry gets 10hp more and has a longer powertrain warranty.Camry v. Malibu

And by the way, the Camry got one star more in ratings.

 

What fraction of the Camry sales are 4 cylinder, and what GM product would you have us compare to that 4 Cyl Camry ? (I'll ignore reliability for the sake of argument, although the consumers likely did not.)

What GM product shall we compare the 4 Cyl Corolla to ?
What GM product shall we compare the Echo to ?
What GM product shall we compare the 4 Cyl RAV4 to ?

 

I did not say all. I just compared the comparable chevy to over half of the vehicles toyota sells every year.

 

whose ratings? Oh I see, the 12 Malibu raters and the 46 Camry raters. One Malibu rater says great quality and value bu only gives it a four. Very objective reference.

 

Camry comes in 4 Cyl also. Your factoid is nonsense.

I'll ask again ..

What GM product shall we compare the 4 Cyl Corolla to ?
What GM product shall we compare the Echo to ?
What GM product shall we compare the 4 Cyl RAV4 to ?
What GM product shall we compare the 4 Cyl Camry to ?

After you set up the basis of comparison, I will look at emissions, FE, and reliability for a 5 year old car (you may pick any reputable site for the reliability data).

 

Shall I use Consumer Reports? And just so you can do your usual pick and choose the ratings that suit you, I'll inform you that CR recommends the Malibu.