Anyone on a list in Portland?

I know what you mean, but the fact that it is on Toyota's page and others means to me that it is added at the factory, as opposed to a fee tacked on by the dealer, which is what I intended to avoid by our agreement. The $50 junk fee was the sort I was trying to avoid (and did, assuming they will come through).

I guess I don't care about the semantics as much as whether or not it is something the dealer had to pay the factory. I don't mind paying something that I feel is legit, like that, even though it might be theoretically possible to bludgeon them into deleting it (and I very, very seriously doubt it).

BTW, so far after 65 miles of mostly hilly, cold weather, night driving, the average MPG shows about 34! Blech! Sure hope THAT gets alot better! (I understand the factors that contributed to that reading).

 

Yes, I agree with you, which is why I said I don't care about the semantics of it (is it actually MSRP or not)? As long as it is a legit. charge by the factory, which it is, I am fine with it. This is a change from my original query based on the extra info. I have now. What I paid was exactly what every single source shows the car costing (because they ALL seem to include the destination charge that I was talking about), plus mats. There are legit charges, and junk fees, and I know now that the destination charge is a legit fee so I am happy. The only 'fee' the dealer himself added was that $50 fee that I refused. You could negotiate a discount, of course, and you could call that getting rid of all or part of the destination charge if you wanted to, but that is a whole 'nother subject, really.

BTW, Edmunds also shows the destination under the heading of MSRP (as well as on the invoice) here: Edmunds

I just read elsewhere about how you can say "I'm hungry" to the NAV and it will locate restaurants! Too cool.

 

Oh, actually showing 31 mpg so far, not 34! We live up in the hills, and the dealer was at approximately sea level, so we've climbed about 1200 feet without yet making a trip back down into the valley. I expect that downhill trip to really up the average nicely.