1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

Another Battery Degradation Thread

Discussion in 'Gen 1 Prius Plug-in 2012-2015' started by markabele, May 20, 2014.

  1. roflwaffle

    roflwaffle Member

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2012
    381
    77
    0
    Location:
    Orange County
    Vehicle:
    2005 Prius
    Model:
    Five
    The only one I can think of is charging to full immediately after a drive with the windows rolled up on a 100+F day.
     
  2. john1701a

    john1701a Prius Guru

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2004
    12,767
    5,251
    57
    Location:
    Minnesota
    Vehicle:
    2017 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Prime Advanced
    The battery would be a comfortable temperature due to the A/C cooling the interior air.

    But since that doesn't follow the best-practice of allowing a "cold soak" and certainly isn't necessary, why would you do that?

    Waiting until the evening is also better from a grid & expense approach.

    Since EV don't have that flexibility, they are in a very different situation than Prius with an extremely efficient engine to use after depletion.
     
  3. roflwaffle

    roflwaffle Member

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2012
    381
    77
    0
    Location:
    Orange County
    Vehicle:
    2005 Prius
    Model:
    Five
    The PIP cycles the AC when it's charging? Neat.

    I've had a few situations where I've charged immediately after a drive b/c I'm heading out again in a couple hours, but I generally crack the windows.

    My wife otoh, generally leaves the windows up.
     
  4. john1701a

    john1701a Prius Guru

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2004
    12,767
    5,251
    57
    Location:
    Minnesota
    Vehicle:
    2017 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Prime Advanced
    No, that hasn't been necessary. But the option for cooling to be part of the process is available. It's just software update to make it automatic. Of course, that would be twisted into a recall. You can't win.
     
  5. Troy Heagy

    Troy Heagy Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2013
    1,218
    4
    0
    Vehicle:
    2013 Prius
    Model:
    One
    People charge at work.
     
  6. john1701a

    john1701a Prius Guru

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2004
    12,767
    5,251
    57
    Location:
    Minnesota
    Vehicle:
    2017 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Prime Advanced
    That allows plenty of time for a cold soak. What is your point?
     
  7. john1701a

    john1701a Prius Guru

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2004
    12,767
    5,251
    57
    Location:
    Minnesota
    Vehicle:
    2017 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Prime Advanced
    I plugged in this afternoon at work. The Prius was already warm from having taken it for lunch, with the windows open to enjoy the fresh air. It sat windows shut in the parking lot as the surface-temperature climbed to 90°F while recharging. That was quite a bit warmer than my previous data collecting. I was excited about the opportunity that presented. The air-temperature was 86°F, just at the tolerable limit for driving without the A/C use. I lowered all the windows and headed home.

    The temperature of the battery-pack stayed within the comfort-zone, despite being warmer outside. It peaked for EV at 100.2°F, which was right as the plug-supplied capacity ran out. While warming up in HV, the Prius was required to climb a hill at 55 mph. That pushed it to 101.5°F before dropping back down and staying down.

    I'd consider that a worthwhile sample for warm-weather driving. Any hotter and most of us would simply turn on the A/C instead, which drops the temperature of the intake-air quite a bit.

    Attached is the data in CSV format.
     

    Attached Files:

  8. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    110,135
    50,052
    0
    Location:
    boston
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    57 degrees here yesterday.
     
  9. retired4999

    retired4999 Prius driver since 2005

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2011
    2,652
    625
    15
    Location:
    Eau Claire, Wi.
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    Nice! :whistle:
     
  10. bilbo04096

    bilbo04096 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2013
    136
    26
    0
    Location:
    Yarmouth, Maine
    Vehicle:
    2013 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    But near 80 today - go out and warm up that battery!
     
  11. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    110,135
    50,052
    0
    Location:
    boston
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    i'm hearing 85! i might have to try my commute, even though it's saturday.
     
  12. bilbo04096

    bilbo04096 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2013
    136
    26
    0
    Location:
    Yarmouth, Maine
    Vehicle:
    2013 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    Fantasy weekend, go for it!:whistle:
     
  13. Astolat

    Astolat Member

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2013
    229
    73
    0
    Location:
    Guildford UK
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    N/A
    So we've got Bisco commuting to work even though it's not a work day, and john1701a excited about being able to drive off in a sweltering hot car. Does anyone think we might need help....?:eek:
     
    -Rozi- and markabele like this.
  14. john1701a

    john1701a Prius Guru

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2004
    12,767
    5,251
    57
    Location:
    Minnesota
    Vehicle:
    2017 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Prime Advanced
    54°F and rainy this morning. Sweltering heat and dry would be much better.

    The Prius has been yearning to go on a kayak trip, to show off its practical side...
    [​IMG]
     
    #94 john1701a, Jun 7, 2014
    Last edited: Jun 7, 2014
  15. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    110,135
    50,052
    0
    Location:
    boston
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    this maybe the year of weather extremes.
     
  16. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    110,135
    50,052
    0
    Location:
    boston
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    duly noted.:p
     
  17. Jeff N

    Jeff N The answer is 0042

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2010
    2,382
    1,304
    0
    Location:
    California, USA
    Vehicle:
    2011 Chevy Volt
    So, you're going to slip the green kayak under the driver-side wheels and the red one under the passenger wheels and then sit on the roof with a long paddle and drift lazily down the river?

    That really is an example of something I can't do with my Volt.

    Good luck! ;)
     
    -Rozi-, rxlawdude and markabele like this.
  18. retired4999

    retired4999 Prius driver since 2005

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2011
    2,652
    625
    15
    Location:
    Eau Claire, Wi.
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    I'm fine! I'll stay home today. :D
     
  19. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    110,135
    50,052
    0
    Location:
    boston
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    what, no coffee, now that it's above zero?:cool:
     
  20. retired4999

    retired4999 Prius driver since 2005

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2011
    2,652
    625
    15
    Location:
    Eau Claire, Wi.
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    Of course coffee!
    Things have changed a little bit though. I am not taking my daughter to work any more, the wife is!
    I count coffee as being at home!:p