Al Qaeda and Terror in Canada

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mirza @ Jun 5 2006, 06:02 PM) [snapback]266253[/snapback]</div>

Yes, if anyone actually bothered to read the article, he was a Canadian (originally from Jamaica) Marine reservist who was serving with a U.S. Marine unit in Iraq. Hence the U.S. flag and uniform (that's actually a Marine insignia.) I believe I answered dbermanmd's challenge, "I do not think you can name one Canadian killed in action in Iraq." The fact that he was wearing a U.S. unifrom when he was kiled does not change that. Of course, dbermanmd will not concede that. That's why they call them right-wing; they're always right.

So based on my naive assumption that anyone responding my post would have read the article and thus known that he was a Canadian citizen in a U.S. uniform, I naturally assumed that MS's hysterical reaction to the "*Canadian* soldier" was because of his skin color. Just because the last few posts that I read from him before I turned him off were something about how rabbis that tip is an oxymoron, and then his usual gay bashing- Why in the world would I ever assume that Mystery Squid is predjudiced?

Anyway, my mistake for un-ignoring his response. I only clicked on it because I was curious how the un-ignore feature works; if it only opens one post (it does) or all of them. Kind of like those people who push the power button in their Prius at 50MPH just to see what happens. I won't make that mistake again.

 

I received an email to my work account about your post, so despite the fact I'm away on business I'll take the time to respond.

First of all, I find your rabid anti-Canadian manure offensive and insulting. It's obvious you are a typical NeoCon fool who would rather do everything in your power to offend your BEST friend than to see beyond the differences. That alone is the reason why Americans are hated around the world, not because of jealousy, but because of the contempt other countries and peoples have for you.

Since this is the way you - and the other NeoCon fools on this forum - appear to think, tough. You badly need our oil, natural gas, and electricity. If you really want to walk away from Canada, fine with us. We'll sell our resources on the open market.

As far as how "we" feel about the announcement of the arrests, I went to several Canadian sites and learned this was part of a long-term Intelligence operation. Imagine that, an Intelligence operation that actually works. You might try contacting CSIS to get some pointers.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com//servlet/st...Story/National/

The ammonium nitrate you're shivering about was actually supplied by undercover RCMP officers. It was a classic Sting operation.

So I - and other Canadians - feel good about the fact that despite a political fracas from time to time, our government can actually come together in times of need to defend the average Canadian. Which is the whole point of having an elected government.

Try it sometime, you might like it.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Jun 5 2006, 11:36 AM) [snapback]266009[/snapback]</div>

American NeoCon prick

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(larkinmj @ Jun 5 2006, 12:31 PM) [snapback]266127[/snapback]</div>

Maybe you were intending this to be sarcastic, I don't know. But, as a former member of the AF I can assure that it is quite possible to serve our country and not be a citizen. Cpl. Bernard Gooden was a marine (not a soldier) serving in our US Marine Corp, not the Royal Canadian Marines. I think you need to go back and do your homework.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(chinook-hybrid @ Jun 5 2006, 10:25 PM) [snapback]266416[/snapback]</div>

As a former naval officer I certainly do know that it is possible to serve our military without being a citizen. And as a former naval officer (on a Marine amphibious ship), I most certainly know the difference between a Marine and a soldier; notice I put quotes around someone else's error. Now if you actually read what I posted, you will see that I replied to dbermanmd's anti-Canadian rant, where he said, "I do not think you can name one Canadian killed in action in Iraq." The man was a Canadian, he chose to serve, and he gave his life- what freakin' difference does it make what uniform he was wearing?
If you wish to side with dbermanmd in this debate, then by all means do so. Just don't try to attribute things to me that I did not say.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(larkinmj @ Jun 5 2006, 07:39 PM) [snapback]266425[/snapback]</div>

Well for a formal Naval officer you should be able to make the distinction that once you enter the Marine Corps you are forever remembered as a Marine first. I am sure Cpl. Gooden (have some respect and honor his memory by referring to him by name, not "man") like most Marine's would like to be remembered as he was a Marine first, and American immigrant second, and a former Canadian third. For all we know he could have left Canada due to it's opposing view on the war and joined our American Marine Corps instead of the Royal Marine Corps (in Canada). I don't know about you but every brother I served with in the AF was an Airman first and felt a responsibility to defend their native or adopted country. Why else would you join a military in another country if you did not support their views, let alone fight in a war for your adopted country.

Poor choice of example if you ask me.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(chinook-hybrid @ Jun 5 2006, 10:55 PM) [snapback]266436[/snapback]</div>

Fine- I for one will not attempt to speak for a dead man. He may very well have loved his country (I mean Canada) and considered himself a Canadian, despite his choice to serve in our military. You may have some insight into his personal thoughts that I don't.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(larkinmj @ Jun 5 2006, 08:03 PM) [snapback]266440[/snapback]</div>

We may not see eye to eye, however, I commend you on at least attempting to look at it from my point of view. Regardless of what country he felt closest too, he is a hero in my book. Any one who would say otherwise would only further denigrate his selfless act of service. He may or may not have agreed with the political policies of the current administration but, he fought with honor and valor. That is to be respected and honored regardless of what opinion you may hold for the war.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(chinook-hybrid @ Jun 5 2006, 11:12 PM) [snapback]266445[/snapback]</div>

We are in total agreement on that.

 

The argument:
you should be able to make the distinction that once you enter the Marine Corps you are forever remembered as a Marine first. I am sure Cpl. Gooden (have some respect and honor his memory by referring to him by name, not "man") like most Marine's would like to be remembered as he was a Marine first, and American immigrant second, and a former Canadian third. For all we know he could have left Canada due to it's opposing view on the war and joined our American Marine Corps instead of the Royal Marine Corps (in Canada). I don't know about you but every brother I served with in the AF was and Airman first and felt a responsibility to defend their native or adopted country. Why else would you join a military in another country if you did not support their views, let alone fight in a war for your adopted country.

The example:
Yes, if anyone actually bothered to read the article, he was a Canadian (originally from Jamaica) A Marine reservist who was serving with a U.S. Marine unit in Iraq. Hence the U.S. flag and uniform (that's actually a Marine insignia.) I believe I answered dbermanmd's challenge, "I do not think you can name one Canadian killed in action in Iraq." The fact that he was wearing a U.S. unifrom when he was kiled does not change that
Ok he was a canadian by birth and a US Soldier.. (not a canadian soldier)

Look out its back to name calling: :lol:
American NeoCon prick First of all, I find your rabid anti-Canadian manure offensive and insulting. It's obvious you are a typical NeoCon fool who would rather do everything in your power to offend your BEST friend than to see beyond the differences. ( guilt factor)That alone is the reason why Americans are hated around the world, not because of jealousy, but because of the contempt other countries and peoples have for you.

Now excuses:
Anyway, my mistake for un-ignoring his response. I only clicked on it because I was curious how the un-ignore feature works; if it only opens one post (it does) or all of them. Kind of like those people who push the power button in their Prius at 50MPH just to see what happens. I won't make that mistake again.

Wasnt there a joke about subs and sea-men? nevermind I forgot it..
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

He may very well have loved his country (I mean Canada) and considered himself a Canadian, despite his choice to serve in our military. bottom line he chose to serve in OUR American Armed Forces & Not in Canada

We may not see eye to eye, however, I commend you on at least attempting to look at it from my point of view. Regardless of what country he felt closest too, he is a hero in my book. Any one who would say otherwise would only further denigrate his selfless act of service. He may or may not have agreed with the political policies of the current administration but, he fought with honor and valor. That is to be respected and honored regardless of what opinion you may hold for the war. I think we can all agree with this statement! :mellow:


Just looking at the thread from the side lines is quite comical.. (The replies that is) (God bless his family and his service, Freedom isn't FREE)...

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(larkinmj @ Jun 5 2006, 09:58 PM) [snapback]266398[/snapback]</div>

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight... :lol:

That's right up there with, "I only took off the condom to see if it wasn't leaking..."

 

Some more information about Cpl Bernard Gooden... link obtained by typing the name in google.

http://iraq.pigstye.net/article.php/20030410082220124

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Jun 5 2006, 07:03 AM) [snapback]265933[/snapback]</div>

When I first read your posting, I thought you had a legitimate interest in the feelings and thoughts of Canadians.

Having read the thread, it is apparent to me that you don't have that interest, rather, you have an interest in promoting your own feelings and thoughts.

I won't disturb you from your real interest.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(larkinmj @ Jun 5 2006, 02:57 PM) [snapback]266244[/snapback]</div>

To ignore breeds ignorance.
To ignore and then comment demonstrates ignorance.
To half-ignore, make a wrong assumption, then blame the other of ignorance only validates oneself as a stupendous ignoramus.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mirza @ Jun 5 2006, 03:02 PM) [snapback]266253[/snapback]</div>

From reading THAT article, it is easy to see how one could get the wrong impression! :huh:

Bernard Gooden Sr. said the two had a falling out about three years ago, when his son stopped taking classes at York University.
The elder Gooden wasn't aware that his son had joined the Marines after heading to the U.S. to live with his mother. http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...canadian_030409

Within an hour she was enthralling fellow members with a moving description of her son’s devotion to America, “which he chose to be his country.â€
http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-1089654.php

Marine Corps enlistment . . . Applicants must be between the ages of 17 and 29, American citizens or registered aliens, and in good health . . .
http://www.careersinthemilitary.com/index....arines_enlisted

The Globe and Mail reported that Gooden was a reservist in the Canadian Forces before joining the U.S. Marines in June 2001.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...canadian_030409

You can not concurrently be both a reservist in a foreign military and be an active member of the US military.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Jun 6 2006, 05:03 AM) [snapback]266579[/snapback]</div>

SORRY...dbermnam is right...answer the question Canada..when these so called -people of god..the Muslims start blowing up your country who ya going to call? You got lucky this time. i am as left of center as they come..grew up in Detroit and loved my canadian brerthern...but when you say the world 'all the world hates us"?..please, pure jealouisy... my in laws are Canadains, Doctors, and left Canada becaue they could not take that crappy soclaist health care sytem anymore and moved back here with all of our proeblems. As far as your natural resourses..which ones" and why is half of your country out of work? and one last thing, you're going to loose the stanley cup.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Jun 6 2006, 05:31 AM) [snapback]266588[/snapback]</div>

...and one more thing...your Country's continual opposition to Israel l and ..'"it's oppression of the Palestinians..' please, Israel is the ONLY western country in the region that gives a damm about freedom and democracy of any kind!! What ya going to do when they come for you O'Canada?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Jun 6 2006, 10:03 AM) [snapback]266604[/snapback]</div>

If you really want to "bring back some civility to this issue", you might begin by not using ethnic slurs such as "frog."