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Advice Needed! P0401, P0300, P0301, P0303 Head Gasket and/or EGR?

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by ALTEREG0, Aug 19, 2024.

  1. Mendel Leisk

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    ^ worth noting.

    AFAIK NGK were never the stock-from-factory plug. Previous owner replaced, possibly counterfeits?

    I’d still be on alert regarding the head gasket.
     
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    Yes! Somehow I took the picture (or uploaded the picture) upside down

    “AFAIK NGK were never the stock-from-factory plug. Previous owner replaced, possibly counterfeits?”

    Actually, it was me. I just replaced the spark plugs around 3 weeks ago with a set I bought online. Now that I think about it I wonder if they were not gapped properly and also not torqued properly (cylinders 1 & 3 were very loose) Could also be a counterfeit issue for sure.

    "I’d still be on alert regarding the head gasket.”

    Absolutely. Cleaning the EGR asap, purchasing the oil catcher and procuring a borescope and gas test kit. Any other suggestions on how to proactively monitor the head gasket @Mendel Leisk?
    Thanks again for taking the time to help me, I sincerely appreciate it!
     
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    QUOTE="ALTEREG0, post: 3474569, member: 215215"]Actually, it was me. I just replaced the spark plugs around 3 weeks ago with a set I bought online.[/QUOTE]
    That's a revelation lol. Was that just before the symptoms/codes started? The plugs could well be the cause of the shake-on-startup. I would take it as wake-up call. Your EGR will be clogged, guaranteed with the miles, and head gaskets have blown well before those miles. Just keep an eye on the coolant level, get on that EGR cleaning as soon as you can manage.

    For sure get a set of Denso's, preferably from dealership; latest has the number 16 instead of 20.
     
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    Latest Denso part no is Denso SC16HR11 (used to be SC20HR11, per owner's manual, but revision is a slightly hotter plug)
    Toyota assigns it part no 90919-01275
     
  5. ALTEREG0

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    That's a revelation lol.
    Sorry about disclosing the new spark plugs so late/vaguely, I mentioned it on post #5 as an edit note.

    Was that just before the symptoms/codes started?
    Yes, the spark plugs were replaced around 3 weeks ago (two weeks before the trip), no issues whatsoever before or right after installing the spark plugs 3 weeks ago. The car never shook or showed any other malfunction signs at all at start up or at any other point. Actually, no issues whatsoever until after the temperature warning light and CEL came on last week after going 75mph uphill during our camping trip. Definitely a wake up call.

    Do you think the subpar (to say the least) spark plugs were ok for a while (3 weeks before the trip) for city driving but failed when put under stress (high speed going uphill with ac on full blast)?

    Or do you think the clogged EGR caused the spark plugs to fail? (if that was the case, wouldn't the car have started shaking on start-up/idle before the trip (and even now with the new spark plugs)?


    I was just going to ask about the 16 and 20 you mentioned on your previous post, thank you for clarifying!

    Is there a particular oil catch can that you recommend?

    Thank you again for all your help!
     
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    I wouldn't sweat oil catch can for now; it can be a bit of a rabbit hole. I've got a couple of Moroso 85474 air/oil separators (basically the same thing), in series, mounted on as bracket* atop the lower front beam, below the intake manifold. That location was a bear to deal with, and with two cans it JUST all fits, not touching the (sprung) engine or associated stuff.

    The Moroso 85474 have gotten crazy expensive, food for thought. They are a very solid product though, you'll need to put them in your will, lol.

    One gotcha with them: they have a large/thin o-ring at the seam around the midriff of the barrel. After opening/reassembling it a few times that o-ring stretched badly. I contacted Moroso for info, and these are the specs for the O-ring, plus they recommend to always lube it with anti-seize:

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    O-ring info from Moroso:

    We do not list a replacement o-ring for that, but we do have them in our warehouse. You would need to call us direct if you wanted to get one ordered, or you can source an o-ring with the same specs; 2.614" I.D., .070" thick in Buna-N. What you saw on the threads of the catch can was anti-seize, we would recommend applying more to keep the top and bottom halves from seizing together over time. It is possible the o-ring was stretched or pinched upon reinstallation.


    Brett Corriveau
    Sales Support Technician
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    203-453-6571 x332
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    2.614" I.D., .070" thick in Buna-N
    (66.40 mm I.D., 1.78 mm thick)

    The above spec is like O-Ring "dash" number: -038

    Search strings:

    O-ring -038 Buna-N

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    Moroso 84574 Air-Oil Separator O-Ring:
    Oil-Resistant Buna-N
    Dash Number: 038
    (Relube with anti-seize periodically)
    2.614" I.D., .070" thick in Buna-N
    (66.40 mm I.D., 1.78 mm thick)
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    Steel mesh biscuit part no: 85472059
    (only available by direct order from Moroso, $5 USD apiece)
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    I was able to get those o-rings locally, had to buy maybe 10 of them for $20.

    * The OCC bracket atop the beam should be "loosely" mounted, says with a rubber gasket between it and the beam, with hold-down fasteners finger-tight-and-locked: the underside of that beam is the front jacking point, and it needs to flex.
     
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    The fact that plug got that gummed up in three weeks is not great. But I would drive it frequently and watch for more shaking in the next three weeks. Which happens to be the interval new plugs clear the shaking on a hg leak. Realize the shaking does not occur if the plugs fire. Bad plug misfires and shakes are continuous while coolant fouling is short term as the engine starts or restarts with an advanced case while driving.

    In the past many people have temporarily cleared shaking with new or even cleaned plugs. Watch the coolant level as well but shaking is the first symptom.
     
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    Wow, $200+ dollars for that Moroso Oil separator, must be really good! Thank you for sharing all that information.

    What do you think about the damaged spark plugs?

    Do you think the subpar (to say the least) spark plugs were ok for a while (3 weeks before the trip) for city driving but failed when put under stress (high speed going uphill with ac on full blast)?

    Do you think the clogged EGR caused the spark plugs to fail? (if that was the case, wouldn't the car have started shaking on start-up/idle before the trip (and even now with the new spark plugs)?

    Or is the culprit a bad head gasket that after a few weeks destroyed the spark plugs?
     
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    Oh I see, so you think that the spark plugs could have been ok but the head gasket leak eventually caused them to fail? Thanks for the help!
     
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    I’m not at all sure. Plugs could be counterfeit. Just the miles and lack of EGR cleaning has me thinking head gasket.
     
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    Fair enough, I will get the EGR cleaned as well as the combustion leak test and other head gasket tests asap. I will also monitor the coolant level closely. Thank you for all the help again, I appreciate it!
     
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    Getting ready to tackle cleaning the EGR system. In hopes to save down time, I procured a used EGR Valve, pipe and cooler. Will have to clean the original intake manifold good and fast. Of course according to the seller the parts I bought are “super clean, meticulously cleaned by the previous owner” (do people sell any other kind ).
    Anyways, they have been soaking on sea foam injector cleaner for a while, later tonight I will power wash them and put them to soak again overnight or if I have enough aluminum safe degreaser (or any other such substance that tickles my fancy) I will place the parts in the ultrasonic cleaner for a while and see how that goes. IMG_1134.jpeg IMG_1135.jpeg IMG_1137.jpeg IMG_1139.jpeg IMG_1144.jpeg IMG_1145.jpeg
     
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    Before and after pictures. Cooler still getting some cleaning done in the ultrasonic machine.
    EGR valve opens/closes way smoother now!
    IMG_1140.jpeg IMG_1155.jpeg IMG_1157.jpeg IMG_1158.jpeg
     
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    @Mendel Leisk & @rjparker how do I know when the EGR Cooler is clean enough? Should I be able to see light pass all the way through it? Should I be able to pass a (coaxial) cable all the way through to each opening? Please advise, thank you!
     
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    Yes. Light at the end of the tunnel is wonderful.
    Electric cable in every crack is perhaps too much.
     
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    lol thanks! The cable should go through from one side to the other?
     
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    Yes a solid wire should be able to pass through each channel. In fact many have chucked up a wire in a drill to clear the channels.
     
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    My thinking now, for heavily carbon-clogged EGR cooler:

    1. If solutions can't even flow in, GENTLY work a wire through, make a few passages.
    2. Cork the smaller diameter end (ID is 21 mm), with appropriate rubber stopper.
    3. Pour in a concentrated lye solution
    4. Wait an hour, rinse and repeat.

    "Clean" is when it pretty much looks like new. Last time I was cleaning, using just mildly-caustic Oxi-Clean solution (may try lye solution next time), this is when I packed it in. If you look closely, there's still slight amounts of carbon on the convoluted fins:

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    Note: when taking pictures, using a point light source on the near side, to fully illuminate the interior, is very helpful. Also, corking one end, you only need about one cup of solution. Soaking the cooler in a deep fryer proportioned tub, with nasty hydrocarbon solvents, is not the way to go. Not even that effective. A cup of strongly caustic solution is more effective, and can go down the drain.
     
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    @rjparker thank you! Still working on passing a single channel all the way through
    @Mendel Leisk perfect, detailed explanation, well timed explanation! What lye solution would you recommend? I tried easy-off but I don’t think it has lye. I have copious amounts of muriatic acid
    I have definitely made some progress, before whatever I pour/sprayed on one side stayed there but now it does come out through the other side. Still “no light at the end of the tunnel” tho. Not sure I will have it as clean as I would like (90% carbon free lol) before the time frame I set for the project (this is the boss’s daily driver and our only other vehicle is an old beat up single cab T100 in which not all the family fits), I was thinking of asking a radiator shop how much they will charge me for cleaning it, not sure how expensive that would be nor how long that would take
     
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    Oven cleaner eats the carbon build up.
    And the pressure washer does a great job of cleaning out what the oven cleaner
    eats up...
    Someone used the metal strip from a windshield wiper... thin and pretty strong...