A man who makes Al Gore seem somewhat normal

This is so confusing; I think I'll buy a ranch in Texas, built my own lake outside the house, and go fishing!

 

I'll personally pay for junior's $500 haircut if he ends the murder in Iraq which he and his supporters started and are solely responsible for. I'd be honored to shell out the big bucks for the ends achieved. Meanwhile, back in the real world...Where's Bin Laden??? Remember him? He took full credit for the attack on NYC and still runs free Whilst junior is up to his eyeballs in alligators which he personally picked but apparently can't wrassle. (sp)

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MarinJohn @ Apr 18 2007, 02:09 PM) [snapback]425447[/snapback]</div>

who supported going to war - check out who voted in favor of it including kerry, clinton and all the other dems - or were they fooled by false intelligence? me if they were fooled by false intelligence reports then they are either as naive as President Bush or they should be voted out of office at the next possible moment.

in terms of bin laden - where is he - ask bill clinton - he was the last president to know absolutely where he was and have the ability of reaching out and touching him several times. seems to me if bill found him the first few times he should be able to do it again.

murder in iraq - tell me, what do you make of those mass graves we uncovered - hundreds of thousands of murdered iraqi's - where were you then? and the kurds - 100,000 + saddam (u no the guy you want back in power) used WMD's on - where were you then? or are you only a fair weather fan of freedom and individual rights and liberties? tell me bro - what did you do during the kosovo thing - and wut u doin about darfur? Rowanda - where were you for that? lots of mass murder going around for you to sink your hooks into - i hope you are not just focusing on the iraq thing.

 

Man Berman, you're on a role today. Let's turn every discussion on the boards into one about Iraq! Lets blame everyone except the one man responsible for starting the war!

PS. I recently read a news report that stated French intelligence told the US government (ie Bush) about the planned hijacking of planes about 9 months prior to 9/11. Do you still think Bush is the only man who can protect our poor nation from terrorist attacks?

 

they didn't trim around his ears very well

 

I think that radical Iraqi religious sects may, in fact, be responsible for my hot flashes (which, after all, impacts my "way of life.")

Dispatch the bombers!

 

Daron,

on a day where 170 are killed at one time in a market in bagdad because of republican party mistakes, and a day after 30 kids are killed becuase of lax gun control laws (laws which are constantly challenged by the republican party) it's hard to get all worked up about a $500 haircut.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ari14850 @ Apr 18 2007, 03:19 PM) [snapback]425553[/snapback]</div>

Wow.. so now it is even Bush' fault about the shooting at VT. Those dirty Republicans and that gosh darn Constitution!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ari14850 @ Apr 18 2007, 03:19 PM) [snapback]425553[/snapback]</div>

It's simply ridiculous to blame this on lax gun control laws. The campus was a "gun free zone". That meant absolutely nothing to this maniac. If a psycho wants to kill people, no law against guns will stop them. Let's say a law IS passed that outlaws guns completely in the US. Do you really think that there would be no more gun violence? Do you think everyone, including criminals, will suddenly hand them over? If you do, I have a couple of bridges to sell you.

Canada has much stricter gun laws, yet they seem to have school shootings as well. Take a look at Montreal, with FOUR fatal school shooting incidents (1989, 1992, 1997, 2006). FOUR IN ONE CITY! Why didn't the gun laws stop those? I also recall several around the world (Germany, France, Japan to name a few) where there are much stricter gun control laws. What happened there?

Now consider the alternative (which always gets the gun control supporters rolling their eyes). What if a student with a concealed carry permit had their gun with them. Perhaps the whole thing could have been stopped much sooner. Maybe only 4 or 5 would have died. Florida was the first state to adopt a concealed carry system. If you check the FBI crime reports, you will see that crime dropped after that law was put in place. Suddenly it wasn't just the criminals that had guns. A robber had to think twice about committing their crime, because maybe now the victim was armed as well. Of course, those who support gun control always have an argument around this fact, but that is the nature of things isn't it.

Anyway, this is way off topic (but I didn't bring it up).

$400 for a haircut is simply crazy, no matter what the situation, regardless of who pays. Why? I'll be the first to admit that I will spend large amounts of money on certain things, often much more than the average person. But most of those are hard to find or limited quantity things. Not haircuts. Over $30 and I walk.

Same goes for a house. Our home is fair sized, at 3300 sq/ft. With three kids we could use a bit more space, but I would never even think of a home with 10,000 sq/ft, much less 28,000 sq/ft. Honestly, how much space can you use in one day. I'm reminded of Batman, where Bruce Wayne says to Vicki Vale in answering a question, "You know, I don't think I've ever been in this room before."

We have looked at a few homes, and at the extreme, where everyone has a room, a guest room, an office, a workout room, and even a large home theater, it only comes to just under 6000 sq/ft. I really can't figure out what else you could need above that. I really don't, and I have extravagant tastes.

What is it that Edwards does that requires 28,000 sq/ft?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DocVijay @ Apr 18 2007, 04:28 PM) [snapback]425592[/snapback]</div>

here's what's ridiculous:

BLACKSBURG, Virginia (AP) -- Cho Seung-Hui in 2005 was declared mentally ill by a Virginia special justice, who declared he was "an imminent danger" to himself, a court document states.

Just the kind of person republicans think our constitution should protect? Do you think this person should be sold a gun? Nobody is saying don't sell guns. Lots of people are saying to regulate them in a sane way.

Not all Democrats are against guns outright ( I own one myself). Many of us are are against lax gun control laws that put guns in the hands of crazies. And I mean crazies in the nicest, legally defined, way.

Again, makes haircuts seem pretty insignificant, woudn't you agree?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(desynch @ Apr 18 2007, 04:06 PM) [snapback]425580[/snapback]</div>

The constitution doesn't say anything about the benefits of selling guns to crazy suicidal teenagers.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Apr 18 2007, 11:27 AM) [snapback]425460[/snapback]</div>

Unlike Bush and Cheney, senators do not have access to raw intelligence data but only to assessments and conclusions which were constantly sent back for revisions until they could finally be used to support the administration's policy objectives.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ari14850 @ Apr 18 2007, 04:37 PM) [snapback]425599[/snapback]</div>

First, even if I weren't a law student, I would still know that the Constitution of the United States protects EVERYONE.

Second, while what you are suggesting seems like a great idea on the surface, it wouldn't work. No, I don't think someone like this should be sold a gun. However, it would be a direct violation of HIPAA laws to report someone's mental health status to a database for background checks. It also violates one of the most highly regarded legal privileges, that of a person and a mental health professional. It works just like the attorney/client, doctor/patient, and the spousal privileges.

Suddenly mandating reporting of a person's mental health status to some database for background checks is a really stick thing to implement. It would take a whole bunch of legislation, and would inherently violate someone's privacy.

If people are suddenly going to be reported to some state or national database for a mental health issue, it would likely prevent many people from seeking the help that they really need. Many people consider this a very private issue, and don't want anyone to know. If this info is going to be reported, many people will not go and receive the treatment that would help them.

So is violating people's privacy, and making it so that people who need help don't get it worth making sure a few people can't buy guns?

And you are right, the Constitution doesn't say anything about, "the benefits of selling guns to crazy suicidal teenagers." It says a right to bear arms. It, unlike you, does not apply this right to only those that you deem fit. The Bill or Rights protects everyone in this country, without exception.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DocVijay @ Apr 18 2007, 03:32 PM) [snapback]425617[/snapback]</div>

Just to play devils advocate, it's not w/o exception. I don't believe convicted felons can legally buy firearms.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Apr 18 2007, 09:44 AM) [snapback]425375[/snapback]</div>

All right you asked for it!
Here is a sample from http://www.jeremiahproject.com/prophecy/clintbodycnt.html
Some of their stances are kind of out there, but they took the time to compile and cite this list.

Clinton Casualties
A "Casualty" is defined as anyone threatened with harm or actually harmed because of their knowledge of and/or involvement in one or more of the Clinton Scandals.
The following is a partial list of a large number of persons who who are presumed to be "Casualties" of the various Clinton scandals. President Clinton has told political supporters in Arkansas he will devote a lot of time going after detractors who pursued him on Whitewater and other ethical questions. (USA Today, November 8, 1996). It is a partial list because new addditions are added regularly and the full extent of being associated with Bill Clinton is not completly known.
The accounting of these mysterious deaths began in 1994 when in a letter to congressional leaders, former Rep. William Dannemeyer listed 24 people with some connection to Clinton who had died "under other than natural circumstances" and called for hearings on the matter. Dannemeyer's list of "suspicious deaths" was largely taken from one compiled by Linda Thompson, an Indianapolis lawyer, containing the names of 34 people she believed died suspiciously and who had ties to the Clinton family.

Some of the "Casualties" were openly murdered, but many were killed in such a way so that their deaths could be ruled accidents or suicides. This was especially true if they died in Arkansas where the medical examiners routinely rule apparent murders as either accidents or suicides when it suits political purposes. In fact, this is so common that it is often referred to as "Arkancide" or "Arkansas Suicide".

"An apparent pattern of violence and intimidation has befallen a number of men and women with ties to Bill and Hillary Clinton, their partners in business, law and politics, and people investigating their affairs..." (The Arizona Republic, June 7, 1994)

On September 11, 2001, Barbara Olson died when the airplane she was flying in crashed into the Pentagon. American Airlines flight 77 was reportedly piloted by a suicidal terrorist whose cohorts also crashed planes into the World Trade Center in New York city and in Pennsylvania. Barbara served as the Republican chief counsel for the congressional committeee investigating the Clintons' involvement in Travelgate and Filegate. She also authored two books, "Hell to Pay: The Unfolding Story of Hillary Rodham Clinton," a scathing expose of Hillary Clinton, and "The Final Days: A Behind the Scenes Look at the Last, Desperate Abuses of Power by the Clinton White House."

I recently read an undocumented and unconfirmed report that yet another Clinton connected person has died of an "apparent" suicide. In March 1999, Eric Fox, who served on Marine One, was found shot in head after his car swerves off road.

On Sunday, February 22nd, 1998, Sandy Hume, the 28 year old son of journalist Britt Hume, was reportedly found dead in his Arlington, Virginia home. Aside from the statement that this was an "apparent" suicide, there remains in place a total media blackout on this story. Hume was a reporter for The Hill magazine, a newspaper about Congress for Congress, and had broken a major story in 1997 regarding the friction between House Speaker Newt Gingrich and a faction led by Representative Paxon (who announced his resignation just 24 hours after Hume's death).
Sandy had a reputation for getting the story that nobody else wanted to look at, and at the time of his death there reports that "a reporter" who was about to break a story confirming the White House's use of investigators to dig up dirt on critics and invstigators.
The man who performed the as-yet-unreleased autopsy is none other than Dr. James C. Beyer, who has a record of concealing homicides behind a ruling of suicide.

Danny Casolaro, a reporter who was investigating several of the Clinton Scandals, was found dead in the bathtub of a hotel room in West Virginia on Aug. 10, 1991, with his wrists slit. He had earlier warned his family that his life was in danger and if he was found dead due to an apparent accident or suicide, not to believe it.
Finishing Casolaro's work, Kenn thomas and Jim Keith wrote, The Octopus : The Secret Government and Death of Danny Casolaro. It's a provocative analysis of the mysterious death of journalist Danny Casolaro and discusses the link between the death and high-level government conspiracy involving the Iran-Contra affair, the October Surprise, BCCI, and other political scandals and cover-ups.

On March 3, 1994, Dr. Ronald Rogers, a dentist from Royal, AR, was killed when his twin-engine Cessna crashed near Lawton, OK, in clear weather. He was on his way to see Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, a reporter from the "London Sunday Telegraph", to reveal some "dirt" on Clinton.

John A. Wilson, a Washington, D.C. councilman, "hung himself". He allegedly knew a lot about Clinton and was reportedly going to start talking before his death made that impossible.

Gandy Baugh, attorney representing Mr. Lassater in a case concerning alleged financial misconduct, died in an alleged suicide on Jan.8, 1994, by jumping out of a window of a multi-story building. Mr. Lassater was a close associate of Gov. Clinton, and was later indicted on drug related charges, among other things. Baugh's law partner was "suicided" one month later on Feb. 9, 1994.

TailGate

In July 1997, during the pre-trial publicity surrounding the Paula Jones lawsuit, and mere days after Newsweek's Mike Isikoff had dropped hints that a "former White House staffer" was about to go public with her story of sexual harassement at 1600 Pennsylvania, gunmen entered the Starbuck's Coffee shop in Georgetown while the crew was cleaning up. Mary Mahoney, a 25 year old former White House Intern for Bill Clinton, was working as the Assistant Manager. Mary's two associates, Aaron Goodrich, 18 and Emory Evans, 25, were taken to a room and shot. Mary herself had five bullets in her, from at least two different guns, most likely with silencers. A total of ten shots were fired; none of them heard by neighbors in the densely populated Georgetown section. Mary was shot in the chest, her face, and in the back of the head. No money was taken.

Suzanne Coleman had an affair with Bill Clinton when he was Attorney General in Arkansas. On 15 February 1977, she "committed suicide" with a gunshot to the back of the head. No autopsy was performed, but it has been alleged that she was seven-and-a-half months pregnant with Clinton's child, although never proven.

Judy Gibbs, who appeared in the December 1979 issue of Penthouse, and her sister Sharon were part of a house of prostitution in Fordyce, Arkansas that also engaged in blackmail of it's more powerful clients. Linked to Bill Clinton by both her own family and by one of Bill's bodyguards, Judy had just decided to cooperate with police in an investigation of Arkansas cocaine trafficking when she burned to death inside her home from a fire of undetermined origin.

Gary Johnson, an attorney who lived next door to Gennifer Flowers, was beaten severely and left for dead by two thugs who broke into his apartment. It seems he had videotaped some of Clinton's "visits" and had mentioned the existence of the tapes to other people. The intruders made sure THEY TOOK THE "CLINTON-FLOWERS" TAPES after they finished the beating.

Kathy Ferguson, the ex-wife of Arkansas State Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead with a gunshot wound to the head, in Sherwood, AR. On May 11, 1993, the right-handed Ferguson supposedly shot herself behind the left ear. It was labeled a suicide even though much of the forensic evidence does not support this finding. She died five days after her ex-husband, was named a co-conspirator in the Paula Jones case. Kathy had told friends that Clinton had sexually harassed her in a manner similar to that reported by Paula Jones. She purportedly had knowledge of Clinton's "regulars" and often talked about how Clinton had gotten Danny to bring women to him and stand watch while they had sex. Part of Danny's job was to make sure that each woman was ready and willing when she and Clinton got together. Kathy said she heard that Clinton was really mad when Paula Jones wouldn't "put out".

Bill Shelton, an Arkansas police officer and boyfriend of Kathy Ferguson at the time of her death, was found dead of a gunshot wound to the head, in Sherwood, AR. He was shot behind the ear which is usually the sign of an execution. His death was also labeled a suicide. Shelton was highly critical of the conclusion of local police that Kathy had committed suicide and he aired his complaints widely.

Sally Perdue, one of Clinton's "regulars", was offered a $60,000/year federal job to keep her mouth shut; or she would have her legs broken. When she did come forward, she received a series of threats; but luckily for her, the American press mostly ignored her.

The Dallas Morning News reported that the offices of The American Spectator magazine were broken into and ransacked twice in September of 1994 after David Brock returned to Washington, DC from Arkansas to write up his interview of the Arkansas State Troopers. There was also a September break-in at an apartment that the magazine keeps on the upper east side of Manhattan. The three break-ins during Sept. of 1994 are the only ones ever experienced by the magazine in its 27 year history.

Whitewater
People have been beaten and perhaps even killed for trying to expose the background of Webster Hubbell and the dealings of the Rose Law Firm of which he was a partner. Other famous partners in the firm were Hillary Rodham Clinton, and Vincent Foster.

James McDougal was serving his 3 year sentence for bank fraud at the Fort Worth Federal Medical Center in Texas, a facility operated by the federal Bureau of Prisons for inmates who need medical attention. Just prior to another round of testimony before Kenneth Starr's grand jury, Jim McDougal suffered a heart attack while in solitary confinement and died March 8, 1998. When Jim McDougal was taken out of solitary, instead of attempting to defibrillate his heart with equipment on hand at the facility, he was driven over to John Peter Smith hospital. Not the closest hospital to the Fort Worth Federal Medical Center, John Peter Smith hospital is a welfare hospital, where (in the words of one local) ,"They let interns practice on deadbeats".
The single most damning fact to come out of the McDougal death was his injection with Lasix, a diuretic, to force his giving a urine sample for drug testing, even though McDougal was not a known drug case, and Lasix is contra-indicated in cases of heart disease. Lasix can cause excessive diuresis, blood volume reduction, circulatory collapse, and vascular thrombosis, or blood clots. If a matching potassium supplement is not administered at the same time, Lasix can kill.

Vince Foster, a former partner in the Rose Law firm and White House aide, had just been served a subpeona and was supposed to testify about Whitewater. Instead of testifying, he died on July 20, 1993. A suicide note was supposedly found a few days later, torn into several pieces, in his briefcase, after his office had been entered by white house staff and materials removed. (The "suicide" note has since been revealed to be a forgery.) The suicide conclusion does NOT square with the testimony from the man who found the body (the Confidential Witness) or much of the forensic evidence. For example, the gun which he supposedly used to kill himself was reported to be still in his hand, but the person who first found the body reports that there was no gun. A signed report of Medical Examiner, Dr. Donald Haut was uncovered at the National Archives, proving that Foster had a previously unreported gunshot wound to his neck. And, an FBI memo has surfaced dated the day after the date of the official autopsy, in which the autopsies informs the FBI that there was NO exit wound.
I'm sure Bill Clinton was relieved when the Supreme Court ruled that the attorney-client privilege of confidentiality protects against disclosure of the notes even after a client’s death. That was the plan, after all, wasn't it?

The Associated Press:Vincent Foster: the death investigation that hasn't ended.

Jon Walker, an investigator for the Resolution Trust Corporation (RTC), mysteriously "fell" to his death from Lincoln Towers, in Arlington, VA. In March 1992, Walker contacted the Kansas City RTC office for information concerning the ties between Whitewater and the Clintons. He reportedly was looking into a 50 million dollar transfer from an RTC fund in Chicago to Madison Guaranty Savings & Loan to cover up a 47 million dollar embezzlement.

Johnny Franklin Laughton, Jr., and a friend hit a telephone pole at a high rate of speed, Mar. 29, 1998, after their car had become airborne and left the road. They had driven less than 1/4 of a mile at the time of the impact. In the spring of 1997, a tornado ripped through some junked cars at Johnny's transmission and opened up the trunk of a car that proved to have a box of Whitewater records in it, including a copy of a $27,000 cashiers check drawn on Madison and payable to Bill Clinton. Johnny Franklin Laughton, Jr. realized what he was looking at and turned the box of documents over to the FBI.

Campaign Finance

The night before White House secretary, Betty Currie, was to testify before the Campaign Finance hearing, her brother, Theodore Williams, Jr., was severely beaten and hospitalized (see Oregonian January 29, 1998 Page A9). Then within one month of her testifying in the Lewinsky Grand Jury her sister was killed in a car "accident" in December 1997.

Ronald Miller died October 12, 1997. Miller is a former co-owner of Creek Systems/Gage Corp., an Oklahoma natural gas company that alleged discrimination by corrupt utility regulators. A court case that could have proved damaging to high-ranking Democrats was averted at the last minute when the Lums helped to purchase Gage Corp. and drop the lawsuit. Miller tape recorded Gene and Nora Lum and turned those tapes (and other records) over to congressional oversight investigators. The Lums were sentenced to prison for campaign finance violations, using "straw donors" to conceal the size of their contributions to various candidates.
Reportedly a healthy man, Ron suddenly took ill on October 3rd, and steadily worsened until his deah 9 days later. (This pattern fits Ricine poisoning.) Owing to the strangeness of the illness, doctors at the Integris Baptist Medical Center referred the matter to the Oklahoma State Medical Examiner's Office who promptly ran tests on samples of Ron Miller's blood, but has refused to release the results or even to confirm that the tests were ever completed.

Ed Willey, the manager of the Clinton presidential campaign finance committee, died of a "self-inflicted" gunshot wound in Nov. '93. He was seen handling briefcases full of cash during the campaign. Mr. Willey died on the same day his wife was allegedly assaulted in the White House by Bill Clinton.

Barbara Alice Wise was employed in the same section of the Commerce Department which was the focus of illegal foreign fundraising. She was found dead in her office at Commerce's International Trade Administration on November 29, 1996.

Jerry Parks, the owner of a security firm that provided security for Clinton's presidential campaign, was gunned down, assassination style, on Sept. 26, 1993 in Little Rock. Now the dead man's son, Gary Parks, charges that his father, who ran American Contract Services Inc., was killed "to save Bill Clinton's political career." Interviewed in the London Telegraph, the younger Parks said "my dad was working on Clinton's infidelities for about six years, starting in the campaign around 1983," and had compiled two name-and-photo-filled files on Mr. Clinton that he kept hidden in his bedroom.
The Clinton campaign had failed to settle an outstanding debt to Parks for $81,000 at the time of his death. Parks' wife said her husband threatened to go public with his information if Clinton did not pay the bill. Parks' home was broken into only hours before he was murdered. THE ONLY THING TAKEN FROM HIS HOME WAS THE DOCUMENTATION HE HAD ON CLINTON'S "ACTIVITIES".

C. Victor Raiser II, the co-chairman of Clinton's presidential campaign finance committee, was killed in a plane crash on July 30, 1992 near Anchorage, AK, in good weather. With his inside knowledge of the Clinton operation, he had become disillusioned by what he had seen and thus became a potential liability.

The Democratic National Committee political director, Paul Tully, died from unknown causes in his hotel room in Little Rock on September 24, 1992. The Arkansas medical examiner's office ruled the death was because of a massive heart attack.

L.J. Davis, a veteran journalist, was knocked unconscious in a Little Rock hotel. Pages were stolen from his notebook that contained information on the inner workings of the Rose law firm. He later received threats to back off the story. Davis is a contributing editor for Harper's magazine and does free-lance writing for many publications. The article, "The Name of Rose," which provides an excellent overview of politics and corruption in Arkansas is available from the Electronic Newsstand.

Herschel Friday, a member of the Clinton presidential campaign finance committee, was killed when his plane crashed on Mar. 1, 1994 as he approached his private landing strip near his Arkansas home, in a light drizzle.

U.S. Commerce Secretary Ron Brown was killed when his plane crashed as it approached the Dubrovnik, Croatia airport. Brown had previously been under investigation by the Senate Judiciary Committee, the Commerce Department's Inspector General, the Justice Department, the FDIC, and the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee was within two weeks of possibly being indicted for an bribe allegedly paid by Dynamic Energy Resources in Oklahoma.
A few years ago, a Vietnamese official accused him of asking for a $700,000 or so bribe in exchange for using his influence with Clinton to get sanctions against Vietnam lifted and to open the country up to U.S. trade and investment. After apparently stalling on the issue, the Justice Department convened a grand jury to hear evidence, which could have resulted in a possible criminal indictment. Veteran investigative journalist Sherman Skolnick, commented that "There was jury-tampering by President Clinton and his Justice Department. The grand jury proceedings were supposed to be kept secret, yet Brown and his confederates were day by day illegally kept informed, so they could obstruct justice by bribing or terrorizing grand jury witnesses. Brown was not indicted......"
Brown made sure that Democratic leaders got the message: "I'm too old to go to jail. If I go down, I'll take everyone else down with me." That, of course, would include the Clintons. Brown's oft-repeated warning was clearly heard. Brown's threats may have become his own death warrant.

Brown's plane was probably relying on Croatian ground beacons for navigation. In the minutes before Brown's plane crashed, five other planes landed at Dubrovnik without difficulty, and none experienced problems with the beacons. But additional questions about the beacons and the crash will remain unanswered because, as the Air Force acknowledges, airport maintenance chief Niko Junic died by gunshot just three days after the crash and before he could be interviewed by investigators. Within a day of his death, officials determined the death was a suicide.

Dying along with Ron Brown on April 3, 1996, was Charles Meissner, Assistant Secretay of Commerce. Meissner reportedly had provided special security clearance to John Huang.

Air Force Tech. Sgt. Shelley Kelly, a stewardess, survived the crash for some four hours. Kelly and another stewardess had been seated in a jump seat at the very rear of the 737. That area was found basically intact after the crash. According to the Air Force, she received first aid from Croatian rescuers but died on the way to a nearby hospital. Her autopsy report states that Kelly died of a broken neck…"

Ron Brown's high level Muslim associate, Mohamed Ferrat was supposed to be on Ron Brown's doomed death flight, but he changed plans at the last minute. He later died on TWA Flight 800. Coincidence?

Terry Reed, co-author of, Compromised: Clinton, Bush, and the CIA received a death threat while signing copies at a Little Rock Wal-Mart. The book claims that Bill Clinton was involved in more than $9 million a week in cash being secretly air dropped into Arkansas while he was governor. The threat was slipped onto the front seat of his car according to Little Rock Police Information Report Number 94-53155.

Stanley Huggins, a partner in a Memphis law firm, was found dead on June 23, 1994 reportedly from viral pneumonia. Huggins headed a 1987 examination into the loan practices of Madison Savings & Loan. He produced a 300-400 page report that has never been made public.

Drug Smuggling Operations at Mena

Paul Wilcher, an attorney, was found dead in his Washington, D.C. home. The coroner either could not find or did not report the cause of death. At the time of his death, Wilcher was investigating gun-running and the drug business in Mena, AR. Shortly before his death he wrote a 105-page letter to Attorney General Janet Reno describing evidence that he allegedly had concerning Mena. The first page of his letter stated in part; "The lives of key participants, other witnesses, and even myself, are now in grave danger as a result of my passing this information on to you. If you let this information fall into the hands of the wrong persons... some or all of those who know the truth ...could well be silenced in the very near future."

Alder Berriman (Barry) Seal, the head of the cocaine smuggling operation at Mena airport, was murdered.
Florence Martin, an accountant who had worked as a sub-contractor for the CIA, was found dead in Mabell, TX, the victim of three gunshot wounds to the head. She had the documents and paperwork as well as the pin number to an account that had been set up in the name of Barry Seal for $1.46 million dollars at the Fuji Bank in the Cayman Islands.
Kevin Ives, a teenager who lived near Mena, AR, was run over by a train close to Mena. First ruled a suicide, a later autopsy showed he was murdered before he was run over by the train. He may have gotten too curious about air drops he had seen in the nearby countryside.
Don Henry, a friend of Kevin Ives, was also run over by the train on the same night. His death was initially ruled a suicide, too, but a later autopsy showed he was also murdered before he was run over by the train.
Keith Coney, an individual who claimed to have information about the deaths of Kevin Ives and Don Henry, was fleeing an attacker on his motorcycle, when he slammed into the back of a truck. Police ruled it a "traffic fatality".
Keith McKaskle, another person who claimed to have information about the Ives-Henry murders, was brutally stabbed to death in his home. He knew someone was after him so he had said goodbye to his friends and family.
Gregory Collins, another person who claimed to have information about the Ives-Henry murders, died from a shotgun blast in the face.
Jeff Rhodes, another person who claimed to have information about the Ives-Henry murders, was shot in the head. His burned body was found in the city dump, with his hands, feet, and head partially severed.
Richard Winters, another person who claimed to have information about the Ives-Henry murders, was killed by a man using a sawed-off shotgun.
Jordan Ketelson, another person who claimed to have information about the Ives-Henry murders, died of a shotgun blast to the head.

Assault on Waco

Steve Willis - ATF Agent & Former Clinton bodyguard
Robert Williams - ATF Agent & Former Clinton bodyguard
Conway LeBleu - ATF Agent & Former Clinton bodyguard
Todd McKeehan - ATF Agent & Former Clinton bodyguard
Died on Feb. 28, 1993, or perhaps "executed" by gunfire in the Waco, Texas assault on the Branch Davidians. All four were examined by a "private doctor" and died from nearly identical wounds to the left temple, so-called execution style. According to Linda Thompson, videotapes and other evidence indicates that none died from guns fired by Branch Davidians.

In the videotape by the American Justice Federation, "WACO II, the Big Lie Continues," Linda Thompson demonstrates that 15 shots were fired from six separate weapons into and out of a room into which three of the four agents had entered through a window. Four of these shots were fired from an overhead helicopter, at least two shots were fired into the room by an agent outside the window, firing an MP5 submachine gun, who also threw in a concussion grenade. In the autopsies of these agents, three had virtually identical wounds to the left temple that exited through the rear of the head, execution-style.

In his address to employees of the Treasury Department in the Cash Room on March 18, 1993, Clinton said: "My prayers and I'm sure yours are still with the families of all four of the Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agents who were killed in WACO -- Todd McKeehan and Conway Le Bleu of New Orleans; Steve Willis of Houston, and Robert Williams from my hometown of Little Rock. Three of those four were assigned to my security during the course of the primary or general election." However, the Little Rock, Arkansas office of the ATF confirmed that all four had at one point been bodyguards for Bill Clinton, three while he was campaigning for President, and while he had been governor of Arkansas.

Dead Bodyguards

Maj. Gen. William Robertson - Deputy Commanding General, V Corps, Europe
Col William Densberger - V Corps Chief of Operations and Plans
Col. Robert Kelly - V Corps Chief of Intelligence
Spec. Gary Rhodes - Crew Chief
All were killed Feb. 23, 1993, when their Army UH-60 Blackhawk helicopter crashed in Weisbaden, Germany. No cause was ever determined. V Corps figured prominently in the US Bosnia-Serbia peacekeeping operations, along with the carrier Roosevelt. These men, and 8 others associated with Clinton's visit to the Roosevelt all died within 4 months of each other.

Staff Sgt. Brian Haney - Clinton bodyguard
Marine Sgt. Tim Sabel - Clinton bodyguard
Maj. William Barkley - Clinton bodyguard
Capt. Scott Reynolds - Clinton bodyguard
All four men died May 19, 1993 when their helicopter crashed in the woods near Quantico, Va. Reporters were barred from the site, and the head of the fire department responding to the crash described it by saying, "Security was tight," with "lots of Marines with guns." A videotape made by a firefighter was seized by the Marines. All four men had escorted Clinton on his flight to the carrier Roosevelt shortly before their deaths.

Alan G. Whicher oversaw Clinton's Secret Service detail. In October 1994 Whicher was transferred to the Secret Service field office in the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City. Whatever warning was given to the BATF agents in that building did not reach Alan Whicher, who died in the bomb blast of April 19th 1995.

Luther Parks, head of Clinton's Gubernatorial security team in Little Rock, was gunned down in his car at the intersection of Chanaul Parkway and Cantrell Road, near Jacksonville, Arkansas on September 26, 1993. Parks was shot through the rear window of his car. The assailant then pulled around to the driver's side of Park's car and shot him three more times with a 9mm pistol.
His family reported that shortly before his death, they were being followed by unknown persons, and their home had been broken into (despite a top quality alarm system). Parks had been compiling a dossier on Clinton's illicit activities. The dossier was stolen. When news of the discovery of Vincent Foster's body came over the news, Parks is reported to have said,"Bill Clinton is cleaning house".

 

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Why should it be any different than laws that mandate physicians to report patients who are diagnosed as having lapses of consciousness, dementia, or related disorders?

State of California - DMV

State of California - DMV Lapses of Consciousness Disorders

 

Until someone in the newsmedia found out and reported it, didn't Bush possess atleast three pairs of the same $1000/pair custom Artioli Italian shoes as Saddam Hussein?

 

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Are you suggesting that we should criminalize mental illnesses? What about depression? For some it is a debilitating illness. For some it's very minor. How do we differentiate?

Felons cannot purchase guns because they were convicted of a serious crime. The original definition of a felony is a crime punishable by death. That has changed now, but it still refers to the most serious of crimes.

Being diagnosed with a mental illness is not the same.

As far as the driver's licenses are concerned, you do not have a right to drive. The burden is on you to prove that you should be allowed to drive. For this situation, it is a right, and the burden is on the state to show that you should not be afforded this right. For Constitutional rights, the burden is exceptionally high.

A convicted felon committed a crime for which he forfeited certain rights. A mental ill person has not committed any crime. They have not done anything wrong. To punish them for an actions they have not committed, and simply because they have the potential for something goes against everything this country stand for.

All of the conditions you mentioned are treated by a physician, not a mental health provider. Obviously a psychiatrist is also a physician, but they treat only mental illnesses. The conditions are very much different. Physicians also have a responsibility to report certain illnesses to the local/state/federal health organizations. Once again, this is a very much different situation.

An epileptic who is driving can have a seizure that is induced by a flashing light that they drive by. What is going to set of a person with a mental illness? A person with dementia is functionally impaired. A person with a mental illness is not necessarily so. You must compare apples to apples.

 

Why does Edwards have to live an a small house?

Hmmm. Rush Limbaugh's house is 36,500-square-foot and there's not a solar panel in sight. What do you want to bet he doesn't use compact fluorescents either. Now...what does Rush do that requires a house that size? How many children? What work does he do in *his* home office...does he have one?....that requires a house so much bigger than Edwards.

Now both Gore and Edwards have security. Does Rush need security beyond what an ex-vice president maintains?

Rush's house is worth $24.2 million.

Don't remember the estimated worth of Gore's or Edward's house.



Limbaugh's Estate

 

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I noticed that!

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Hey, maybe this is the smoking gun that will finally turn conservatives against the shrub! This is exactly the sort of stuff that the d-man and people like him think is really important in judging a politician.