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A C compressor causing P0AA6 code

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by Seymour1, Jul 19, 2024.

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    *starts stopwatch*
     
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    I cannot find my thread. Did I do something wrong?
     
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    Not that I've noticed...
     
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    An update:
    I kept wondering how can the high voltage cable, the fuse and the compressor all fail at the same time? So, I replaced the high voltage cable first, then test drove the car. (I noticed that the old cable had been cut by something-maybe it reached the fan blades.) There was no yellow triangle when I drove the car. Then, I plugged in the low voltage plug onto the compressor; no yellow triangle. Then, I installed the fuse and went for a ride; no yellow triangle. Finally, I turned on the A/C switch. Only warm air came out, and I could not hear the compressor running. The fuse did not blow. There is pressure in the system. I quickly opened the schrader valve to test it.
    My next step is to measure and/or add freon.
    I bought a new manifold set, but I used it to add R134A to my 2007 Corolla (non-hybrid). Then, I read a post that warned that if I used the same manifold set on my hybrid, I would contaminate the system with the wrong type of compressor oil. Is this true? If I flush the manifold set cables with acetone or 99% isopropyl alcohol, will that render them clean enough?
    Thanks in advance for assistance.
     
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    Are there any trouble codes from the HVAC system now? Those are mostly B14xy codes.

    If you haven't got a scan tool that shows them, you can retrieve them without one; look for "Codes from the heat/air conditioning system" toward the end of this page:

    Blink (a/k/a Flash) Codes – How to. | PriusChat

    I don't know that I'd take a chance with a homebrew flushing solution, whether acetone, isopropanol, or what not.

    There are flush regimens that have been used on hybrids when the wrong oil got in (you can search threads here for HECAT), but I don't know if that's anything you could do to a manifold set, for less money than just buying another manifold set to keep dedicated for hybrids.
     
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    Thanks, Chap
    My Creader-Toyota showed no codes for the A/C. I will order a new manifold set. Since the compressor will not turn on, I do not know what the equalized pressure should be.
    The sight glass looks clear, but I think it means nothing unless the compressor is running.
    There is a pressure switch (I think?) next to the sight glass. If I remove the plug and place an ohmmeter on the 3-pin connector, what should I read? The colors are blue, green and black. Is there another pressure switch for the low side?
     
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    In the gen 3, that is a pressure transducer, not a pressure switch. So it isn't just ok/not-ok, you can actually read the high-side pressure using a scan tool.

    With the compressor not running, the equalized pressure can be looked up on any R134a "saturation pressure / temperature" chart; given a pressure gauge and the chart, you've got yourself a thermometer. (The temperature that matters is the temperature of the refrigerant and piping in the car, not necessarily the temperature your outdoor thermometer shows.)

    The trouble with the equalized pressure is it doesn't tell you a lot. You will see the same saturation pressure from less than a full charge clear up to more than a full charge, as long as there is enough in the system for any of it to be liquid.

    If you add some more refrigerant, more of it condenses to liquid and you still see the saturation pressure. If you let some out, more of the liquid evaporates, and you see the saturation pressure.

    You'll see a lower pressure only if you are very low on refrigerant—low enough that all is vapor and no liquid remains. So if you see a pressure much lower than the saturation pressure, that does tell you a lot is gone. But once enough has been added to have some liquid again, the pressure will stop telling you much.

    I'm not familiar with Creader-Toyota. Have you checked the HVAC blink codes, just in case that reader doesn't speak HVAC?
     
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    Just curious for now. I came across a post that stated that a 2012 compressor will actually fit a 2010 model Prius. But, now I cannot find that post. The newer one might have design improvements for reliability.
    Anyone know about this?
     
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    Hey, Chap,
    I did the blink thing. The RECIRC LED blinked about once per second. (Was I looking at the correct light?)
    I have T S and it worked for many things but would not work for doing an air bleed after replacing the booster pump and master cylinder. (I wonder if it only had one-way comm?) But, it showed no DTCs. The Creader worked for for me to do the air bleed. On both systems, I narrowed my search to just A/C and also the total health.
    If the system is low on freon, will it be reported by blinks or by T S?
     
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    A gen 3 will report (most) HVAC trouble codes both as DTCs to a scan tool and as two-digit numbers on the HVAC display. (How to trigger the code display is on the blink-code wiki page, but only gen 1 actually blinked the codes. As that page says for gen 3, "Look for two-digit codes shown at the left end of the HVAC display. The two-digit code xy usually means the same as a B14xy code shown on a scan tool.")

    There's a displayed two-digit xy code to go with every B14xy DTC except for two uncommon gen 3 codes B14A1 and B14A2 (because the display can only show digits 0–9). Also, the comunication U codes from the HVAC do not have two-digit display versions.

    There's no code that means specifically "low on freon". As usual, an ECU can only tell you things it has some way to know, so the closest you might get is the B1423 code (about an out-of-expected-range pressure sensor reading) or one like B1476 (about the compressor needing an unexpected amount of power). Whether the cause of such a code turns out to be the amount of refrigerant is something the human has to work out.
     
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    The heat wave ended today. Tomorrow I should receive my new manifold set.
     
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    I just had the system evacuated. The system had plenty of freon but the compressor would not run. The fuse is good and the orange cable is good. I could not learn of any way to bench test the compressor. Now I will replace the compressor with another one. I hope I am strong enough to lift the new one into place (might need to use a jack- I am 81 years old.)