$40K Price tag- Fair Guess for initial roll-out?

So much for delayed gratification!!!
Look on the bright side Coach....if you salt away the money that you would have made in car payments, then by the time the PHV's are available in your area...you'll be able to pay cash!!

 

Way off.

Already Toyota has earned the reputation as dragging its feet on EVs. If the plug-in prius with just 10 miles of EV range is priced similar to Volt with 35 miles of EV range, it will cement the reputation.

I expect plug-in to be no more than $5K MSRP above similarly equipped Prius. That would be $2.5K above after tax credit.

Even with this, we are looking at the Plug-In being $5K above Nissan Leaf.

 

I would agree, I think that is exactly right. Toyota already said that they would price it as an option between 3,000 to 5,000 dollars. Now, whether the option will be available in trim levels 2, 3,4 and, 5, will have to wait to find out!

 

Under normal circumstances, you can buy a Prius somewhere between invoice and MSRP. A Prius III MSRP is 24,520 + destination + dealer's fee, and the plug-in option will add: $_ _ _ _ .

 

Agreed. Prius manufacturing will be back to normal by the time the end of the year. You'll be able to get a Prius MSRP or less.

However, PHV supplies will initially be limited, so there is potential for inflation on the option. But, I'm not sure how high demand will be, since there will be lots of people who can't plug in, commute too far, can buy a BEV instead or live somewhere with very expensive electricity (hello NYC!).

 

You are absolutely right because the cost of Kwh in Hawaii is 31.04, NY is 17.45 and Florida is 0.11!

Cost of KWH across the country!
Electric Power Monthly - Average Retail Price of Electricity to Ultimate Customers by End-Use Sector, by State

Since gas mileage does not follow in a linear scale, I wanted to calculate at $4:00 dollars a gallon, the cost of driving each additional 5 miles based on miles/gallon of a particular vehicle, and at what point further mileage may not be that significant cost wise. This is a basic calculation.

Cars with MPG Cost of each 5-mile
10 miles/gallon Each 5 miles costs: $2.00
20 miles/gallon Each 5 miles costs: $1.00
40 miles/gallon Each 5 miles costs: $0.50
50 miles/gallon Each 5 miles costs: $0.40 = Prius
60 miles/gallon Each 5 miles costs: $0.33 = Hypermiling Prius
70 miles/gallon Each 5 miles costs: $0.285
80 miles/gallon Each 5 miles costs: $0.25
90 miles/gallon Each 5 miles costs: $0.22
100 miles/gallon Each 5 miles costs: $0.20
125 miles/gallon Each 5 miles costs: $0.16
150 miles/gallon Each 5 miles costs: $0.133

I think the cost may not be that significant after 60 miles/gallon. A Prius plug-in with a 15-mile range for ease of calculation in Florida would cost 0.33 cents for a full charge at 0.11 cents/5 miles. I want a PHV, not for economic reasons, but, it is a good feeling when you know you are burning as little as possible.

 

Maybe we should use the v (V) vee? trim levels as a guide...the PHV might follow something like that.

Maybe 3 trim levels 3,4,5. Hopefully the base will have different wheels or something to set it apart.

 

I think you are right because the Prius v(vee) is available in trim levels 2, 3 and 5 and one additional new color. There is no 4 trim level on the v which makes me think that it is unlikely that the solar panel will be an option on the plug-in.

 

Well the v can't have it because of the panorama roof so maybe its still possible on the phv, I hope so because that was the option I wanted to add...kinda tired of walking into an easy bake oven every afternoon.

 

I was thinking because Toyota did not offer a Prius 5 with solar panel because of weight, so, if the PHV comes in trim level 4, it is unlikely that it will have the solar panel as an option.

 

Going by this ...

Toyota Prius Compare - Summary - MSN Autos

The MSRP on the base models are :

$21,650, $23,520, $24,520, $27,320, $28,790

So, base MSRP on a V, if they offer it, could be about $31K.

 

I would pay 5,000 dollars more to be able to drive in the HOV lanes...

I would buy a prius 4 if this car was not coming out.

If the price of a plugin is 5,000 more, I will buy one. The big problem is not knowing what the price and time frame is to buy one.

I am thinking I can buy a prius 4 from a dealer at a good price in August, and a plugin in March 2012...

In the mean time, I just get to dream.

 

I have the same concerns. My lease is up this June and I extend it til November. After November, I don't know what I am going to drive until this car shows up. I am ready to place order right now!

1. It would be nice if those of us who pre-order were to get a very early delivery, procrastinators can wait for Spring.

2. If the car comes in the Spring, I think it should be a 2013 model!

3. I echo the "not knowing price and time frame". It is difficult to plan what I am going to do after I return the lease in November.

4. Hopefully the instrument panel will be able to read mileage over 99.9 mpg.

 

I hope they come up with a better metric, perhaps have the computer auto display mpge or something. On the Volt I don't like the always having to explain that averages in miles traveled without gallons so is not entirely accurate as a measure of efficiency, only fuel consumption.

 

Well, correct me if I am wrong. I think the Volt gives a better information display because it shows you separately, the electric part of driving which you are responsible for plugging it as often as possible and the gas usage which depends on the length of your trips.

For me, it is a good feeling to burn as little gas as possible. I would keep them separate and calculate my electric drive as MPGe per week and calculate the gas mileage MPG per fill-up, regardless of how long it takes to use a full tank. Now, I would also, only fill the tank halfway since the gas may sit there for weeks, perhaps months.

 

Toyota better make sure when the Prius PHV comes out, that its dealers will not practice the current shady pocketing of the consumer tax credit by Chevy Volt dealers, price gouging above MSRP or sell cars with 5 miles on the odometer as used to unsuspecting consumers who think they will get a tax credit next year.

This is a big turn off and I can not think of a better way to destroy your customer loyalty faster and this will hurt GM unless they put a stop and come clean, GM can again sell cars just like they used to sell Saturn.

MercuryNews.com : Chevy Volt dealers inflate prices, take tax credits

 

Don't see how since we are ordering it directly from Toyota. It just ends up going to the dealer if we want. Since I've had great relations with my dealer I highly doubt this will happen to me. They didn't charge me any "extra" when supplies were incredibly tight in 2004 for my Prius and in fact gave me a discount off of MSRP.

Its a shame. Especially to unsuspecting consumers who may be trying to regain their faith in GM.

 

I think that you mean 'sticker prices' are irrelevant now. Market prices are what you are actually seeing based on lack of supply and strong demand due to escalating fuel prices. There are people who will pay a premium now to acquire a USED Prius simply because they can't get a new one. That's a reflection of the market.

The stickers are pretty stable from year-to-year but it's the market prices that fluctuate wildly as supply and demand change.