$40K Price tag- Fair Guess for initial roll-out?

Don't forget that I am pro affordable plugins that reduce emission and dependency on foreign oil.

If I recall history, EVs are more dated technology than hybrids. There are pluses and minuses for both and you have to acknowledge that.

 

First of all, electric cars are good as a second vehicle only. On a cold day, it takes more Kwh to warm the cabin than to propel the vehicle at 50mph.

If you want to see dated technology from 110 years ago, here is a video of the 1901 Baker electric. Btw, Jay Leno has a 1909 Baker electric with 100 miles EV distance, same as today.

 

Nonsense. We have been using Leaf as the primary vehicle for over 6 months now. See my sig

 

You are so consistantly anti-EV, it is indeed difficult to make out you are apparently pro affordable plugin.

 

ev works for some...hybrid-ev works for many more. reality...for now.

we should all be so lucky to 'only need an ev vehicle'. i'm working towards that..but too many "need" gasoline range. note the 'air-quotes' for need. more people "need' to re-evaluate their needs.

 

I have been against "range anxiety" and "more than electric" campaigns. I considered getting a Leaf at one point.

Sure, I pointed out the study done by DOE regarding emission from average US electricity compared to cordless and plugin hybrids. That was objective and purely for open discussion.

Is it not obvious that I like affordable plugins like the Plugin Prius and C-Max Energi? I constantly defended them against Volt.

 

I don't know, when I see "cordless" I think antiquated. I'd just as soon get a horse and buggy as another car without a cord. I can't wait to drop the ICE altogether.

Cords are where its at!

 

Yes, different people has different preconception. I am simply using "cordless" as a differentiator to identify this hybrid has no cord to plug into the wall.

 

That makes sense to me, too. To say "just plain hybrid" is awkward and is not clear because there are several levels of "plain". To say "non plug in" is also awkward. "Corded and Cordless" are precise and clear in their meaning.

They are good ways of distinguishing the two types of Prius.

 

How about gas and duel fuel.

 

+1
In fact, the stat's show that somewhere around 80% of commuting folks have a commute of 40 miles or less. So yes, you can say EV's don't work for everyone ... but for many, it's an excelent alternative.

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Or current and obsolete?

 

you can't use "current and obsolete", because if you can buy it today, its already obsolete

 

Then you could use them, because you can buy the obsolete one and you can't buy the PHV.

 

How about PHV and HEV (just in case HEV isn't already implied by the context). Both 3 characters. If they ever went for a full EV version it'd be the BEV. TLAs but they WFM.

 

The Prius HEV and PHEV are the standard ways of differentiating between the non-plug-in and plug-in ways. Toyota's official name is the Prius PHEV. HEV has been traditionally left off of Prius for brevity, but can be included to differentiate. There is no confusion and no need to introduce another term "cordless", especially when it is being used incorrectly.

Wikipedia's definition of cordless is: "The term cordless literally means without a cord and is generally used to refer to electrical or electronic devices that are powered by a battery or [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_pack"]battery pack[/ame] and can operate without a [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_cord"]power cord[/ame] or cable attached to a fixed electricity supply such as an outlet, generator, or other centralized power source, allowing greater mobility."

That applies to both PHEV and HEV. Also, if you consider an analogy like a cordless vacuum, which has a cord/charger, that is a PHEV not a HEV.

I'm not trying to start anything. I'm trying to stop unnecessary confusion.

 

I like Prius PHEV and Prius HEV but a normal Joe wouldn't know the difference.

 

Brad Berman is tweeting that the PHEV will be under $30,000 in US after 2,500 credit.
Also, the v to start at $26,400.

 

http://priuschat.com/forums/prius-h...hicle-range-87-mpge-32-000-a.html#post1388594

32k before tax credit...

 

That's $8k lower than OP expected.