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Here is a transcript of the Wolf Bliztzer interview from which it all started.

"But it will emerge from my dialogue with the American people. I've traveled to every part of this country during the last six years. During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system."
Al Gore

And it got very little play in the press but Al Gore recently got an award for his instrumental help in getting significant funding for the internet, such as it was, back when Gore was a Congressman from Tennessee.

And there are two men in particular who are in fact credited with having invented the Internet. Those men have made it very clear that Al Gore was instumental in moving the Internet forward. Had it all hapened anyway? Possibly. But Al never said he invented it, and he was instrumental in its moving along. Now you can criticize his choice of words by using the word "creating", but this was an off the cuff answer to a reporter. Can anyone else think of a politician that misuses words when speaking to the press or to the public?

But one gets branded a "liar", the other gets branded "down home" and "cute". One might even think that this was an "organized" attempt at obfuscation. Obfuscation that seems to have worked.

 

Prius 04

you are over sensitive..so below is an exact quote from Gore? right..

"I took the initiative in creating the Internet"

so the bottom line is he SAID IT. That was a humorous thing people have said about Gore and so it was true. IN THE POST I MERELY REPEATED something Gore said.

 

You have taken him and the situation out of context. But if that meets your needs, so be it.

 

HE SAID IT..., THAT IS THE ONLY CRITICISM OF GORE ON THAT SUBJECT THAT WAS GIVEN. Why can you not admit that one of your HEROES might have had a bad day., or is pompous and tends to take more credit then what is really due to him. Many politicians on BOTH SIDES do this., you are the one being STUBBORN. GORE SAID IT!q!!!!

 

PS Only God is perfect

 

Saddam sheltered the Al Quada member who was at large that was involved in the world trade towers bombing....

* Abdul Rahman Yasin was the only member of the al Qaeda cell that detonated the 1993 World Trade Center bomb to remain at large in the Clinton years. He fled to Iraq. U.S. forces recently discovered a cache of documents in Tikrit, Saddam's hometown, that show that Iraq gave Mr. Yasin both a house and monthly salary.

* Bin Laden met at least eight times with officers of Iraq's Special Security Organization, a secret police agency run by Saddam's son Qusay, and met with officials from Saddam's mukhabarat, its external intelligence service, according to intelligence made public by Secretary of State Colin Powell, who was speaking before the United Nations Security Council on February 6, 2003.

* Sudanese intelligence officials told me that their agents had observed meetings between Iraqi intelligence agents and bin Laden starting in 1994, when bin Laden lived in Khartoum.

* Bin Laden met the director of the Iraqi mukhabarat in 1996 in Khartoum, according to Mr. Powell.

* An al Qaeda operative now held by the U.S. confessed that in the mid-1990s, bin Laden had forged an agreement with Saddam's men to cease all terrorist activities against the Iraqi dictator, Mr. Powell told the United Nations.

* In 1999 the Guardian, a British newspaper, reported that Farouk Hijazi, a senior officer in Iraq's mukhabarat, had journeyed deep into the icy mountains near Kandahar, Afghanistan, in December 1998 to meet with al Qaeda men. Mr. Hijazi is "thought to have offered bin Laden asylum in Iraq," the Guardian reported.

* In October 2000, another Iraqi intelligence operative, Salah Suleiman, was arrested near the Afghan border by Pakistani authorities, according to Jane's Foreign Report, a respected international newsletter. Jane's reported that Suleiman was shuttling between Iraqi intelligence and Ayman al Zawahiri, now al Qaeda's No. 2 man.

http://www.techcentralstation.com/092503F.html

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles...2insurgency.htm

Congressional report about how Iraq is the meeting point between Al Quada and the US Army. We are battling our foe there, not here. We have taken the battle to them. Some could make a credible case that Carter started the entire business when he failed to make war upon Iran for taking our people hostage.

Actual results of opinion polling of real Iraqi's...

http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/2004319.asp

So, the "everyone knows" this fact free rebuttal dies under the assault of some genuine facts...Saddam harbored terrorists, he harbored Al Quada member who had a hand in bombing our world trade towers.

Saddam is gone, and even the Iraqi people say good riddance. Check the links.,,,(from the poll: While 15.1 percent of Iraqis want coalition forces to leave immediately, 53.3 percent want them to stay until a functioning Iraqi government is in place, or peace is restored to the country. )

You further wrote:

It's a myth that all Muslims want us dead.

Okay, but I did not write that, did I? I wrote that Al Quada wants you dead. That is a stated goal of its leader, bin Laden.

 

There is no distinction between creation and invention. Unless you are a part of the excuse making party that wants to dicker over what the meaning of is is.

Gore's Love Story BS was really funny. The Love Canal canard ought to be in there as well.

 

How old are you? Now you are being childish. I"M THE ONE that put his actual words into this thread? How can I deny that he said it? I QUOTED HIM!!

When did I ever call him one of my heroes?

But from what you took out of my post above about the context of this statement, it's clear that the truth of what Gore was saying is less important to you than Gore being made to look a fool.

To me, the truth is more important than an political parties spin machines. This is why I often criticize democrats. But I also note that when the progressive principles were most in control on this country, as in about 1920 to about 1980, that was when this country made the most social, intellectual, health and wealth progress than any society had ever made since the very creation of organized society.

Why did that happen? Because the industry elite were more regulated and the rich for the first time in history paid a fair share in taxes. Unions were ascendent, and corporations were weakened somewhat. And there were government programs that helped people go to college, and to buy homes. And the government helped to organize the building of the interstate highway system, and the electrification of backwoods America. And for the most part, the "liberals" were in charge.

Since 1980, Republican ideology has been ascendent. Liberalism gone by the wayside, at least as a political force. Supply side economics, the theory of economics that drove the USA in the 19th century, has made a comeback. Corporations are more powerful than they have ever been, and taxes have been pushed back onto the backs of the middle class.

And what is now happening? Wages and benefits for common workers over the last 20 years have been rising slowly or stagnant. Eventually, this will have consequences for America's greatness in the world.

But this is still an economically powerful country so it will be another 20 years before we see the phenomenal backwards drift that this country has taken, thanks to Republican policies.

So why has the country done this? Because billions of dollars have been spent over the last 50 years in ways such as creating the Heritage Foundation and the Cato Institute, and many other right wing think tanks and groups. And their goal was to reverse the progress of the 20th century. And that money they invested has paid off. Now they even own a TV network of their own, Faux News. And they even have substantial control over NBC, CBS and ABC, but they have the masses duped into believing that those networks are "liberal' simply because every once in awhile something "liberal" comes out of them. When in fact, 90% of what comes out of them is either pro Republican, or neutral.

So Gore is not my hero, but "truth" about what he really said is my hero. And it continues to anger me that this man gets slandered when all he ever did was try to work for the people. He made mistakes and so did other Democrats. MANY mistakes.

But I've said it before, when Democrats make law that hurt regular people, they do it by mistake. When Republicans make law that hurts regular people, they do it by design.

But you don't care about the truth. You only care about "your team" winning. But to me, politics is not a baseball game. I love my country, and I hate the way the Republicans are ruining it.

And your PS about only God being perfect. Isn't GW perfect? To this day he has never admitted to a single mistake.

 

Prius I am not even reading your long post

Yes., Right wing made fun of the fact he said it...YES YES YES

but HE SAID IT., I copied right from your own post...

did Gore say it ????? YES

 

Robert. There has never been any dispute that Saddam harbored terrosits long ago. The issue was we invaded his country in 2003. By 2003, he was a trivial and inconsequential player in world terror, and his connection to Al Qaeda was zero by 2001, when 9/11 happened. Indeed, we have now been in Iraq for 2 years. If there was evidence that Saddam had any ties to Al Qaeda, don't you think we'd have them by now? Al you cite are a single person here or a single person there, and some Janes article about maybe Iraqi Intel was talking to Al Qaeda. Don't you think that that "MAYBE" they were talking to each other would have been cleared up by now? And your post with those early 1990 dates prove my point.

NO, I think it's important for some people to believe in GW that they also believe that we went into Iraq for revenge over 9/11. And they love him so much that they will START with the assumption that Saddam was in on 9/11, and that Saddam was a mojor player in world terrorism by the year 2001, and then they go looking for proof. But the proof is not only not there, but the only proof that we have found is proof of how miniscule Saddam was in world terror, and how much he and Al Qaeda hated each other. Indeed, when Saddam was pulled out of his spider hole, he had orders/papers in his possesion for his follower to not help any foreigners at all.

As for the one person Saddam "harbored" in 1999. The only evidence that he "harbored" this person was evidence that this Al Qaeda person was in Bahgdad, in a hotel for a few days. There remains zero evidence that Saddam knew he was there, or that he even cared that he was there. Right now as we speak, there are "communists" living in NY. Does this mean GW is harboring them?

And you are right that you did not say that all Muslims want us dead. But thanks to GW, that's changing.

 

And the little littany you just spewed..is opinion on your part, not factual. Temper, temper..

I could go off the same way on many things, there are more then ONE way of looking at things..It is now a world economy, man..the world has changed and so has this country. Do some of the social policies of the 20's-80's were good ? Of course they were. Are some of them still good today, some yes, some no...Do I think GW has made some mistakes...YES all Presidents make mistakes after all they are not Gods.

And yes Gore got it when he made that statement, just as GW got it when he was asked if he made mistakes in a PRESIDENTIAL debate, and could not come up with an answer then..(ps if you asked him on his ranch or somewhere he probably would come up with answers then) That was a mistake too was it not???

I never let BLIND HATRED hide me from the heart and soul of a man. I liked JFK a lot, I liked Johnson. Carter and Clinton had major faults in my book. Nixon was bad news, I'll admit that, he did some good things, but mostly was consumated with a poor understanding and relations with the press and the people and made stupid moves, he paid for that did he not? I don't understand your single minded anti one party and anti one president stands in everything you say. At least Taylor and even 19 year old flyingprius was able to state and make good points without the constant DNC byline zingers in every other words. Until you learn to stop that, every response from any conservative will be in an aggressive and single minded way just like your response. AND THAT'S THE WAY IT IS...

 

Well you got me on that one. The point I tried to make to you in my long post was that it seems more important to you to make Gore look silly than to understand the truth of that matter.

It's clear that your "team" is better at this than my "team" is. But I don't see the future of my country as some kind of sport.

So be it.

 

Just out of interest, why doesn't the "ignore" button work?

 

Well of course it was my opinion. Whose else could it be? And I have not lost my temper. If I did that, I'd not respond at all.

Actually it was a press conference. He's been asked that question in follow up press conferences, at least once that I know of, and he laughed it off and did changed the subject.

Actually, although I have an overall bad opinion of Nixon, I do think he sped up the collapse of the Soviet Union. His detente policy was brilliant. By competing with the Soviets economically and importing more and more into the Soviet Union, the Soviets began to lose control of what their people were seeing and hearing about American's. Once they realized that their leaders were lying to them, the collapse of Soviet Communism was set in motion. Read Gorbachovs book on this one.

When you cite the fact that it is a world economy, are you suggesting that the best way to compete with the world is to turn American workers into peasants? Personally, I think the key is MORE progressive policies, not less. And even more than that, we need to EXPORT progressive policies as well. I'm not against NAFTA and CAFTA automatically, but those two programs exported the rights of the corporations to build plants and to hire whoever they want. But there should have been a companion part of it that also exported workers rights. And I mean REAL workers rights, not pretend rights.

So people like me only can be considered "good" if I agree with you? I don't understand the logic. I fill my posts with facts, not venom. And I am far from being a Democrat. You would have known that if you had read my last post. But I DO think that the Republicans are ruining the USA. That is how I feel. You do not have to agree.

Actually, that's your opinion of the way it is. You are certainly entitled to it. But I think you have been tricked by a very clever and well funded elite. Just my opinion.

 

The ignore button, I found out by doing an experiment, only prevents you from getting personal email from the person on your ignore list.

It does not stop you from seeing posts.

But why would you want to not see these posts? I think they're a blast!!

 

Too bad we never tried it with Fidel. He'd be long gone by now.

 

Actually, what Gore actually said was that "he had been told" that the Love Story couple was mirrored on Al and Tipper. He was simply quoting someone else. Thus, it was never Gore saying that he and Tipper were the characters.

Robert, do you have evidence to the contrary?

Eric Segal, the author held a press conference after this got into the press and said that Gore was not the character. But a few weeks later, Eric Segal did admit that some of Al Gore, as well as Al Gore's roommate, WERE part of that male character. But that Tipper was not at all.

And Gore's roommate was Tommy Lee Jones.

So again, the real story here is not Gore's misstatements, but the slanderous story about his statements that came out of the GOP. And apparently are still going around.

 

jUST LOST A BIG LONG REPLY AND i AM NOT RETYPING IT!!

Gist was how do you get these CAFA and NAFTA countries to give their citizens workers the rights you want.....Do you go to Walmart?? That is about the only way..America wants the cheaper goods but then spews out this venim. Tariffs you say ? Protectionism ? Mayybe we ought to do without it..Oh no I forgot we want the cheaper stuff.

You constantly complain...and yet WE and I do mean YOU TOO and all of us are the reason. Politicians sell us a bill of goods, BOTH SIDES, you got to sort it out. Darn right Nixon did good both in Russia and China. My solutions are down to earth, I'll walk the talk. I go and look for USA labels, not necessarily union labels, see a lot of Toyotas, Hyundais and Hondas in the Union parking lots....It's always nice to say one thing and do something else.

How do you tell China what to pay its workers and how to treat them ?

You got 140,000 American Soldies in Iraq now, what do you do...not what you should have done.

That is what the American people are looking for.

 

Anther lie from the right wing. A few newspapers reported that Al Gore had claimed to have held the hearings on the toxic wastes at Love Canal. And that this started it all.

But the right wing pointed out rightly, that Gore never held any such hearings on Love Canal in NY. But Al Gore did hold the first toxic waste hearing on waste in Toone Tennessee.

But Gore never made the claim about Love Canal. It was in a speech in NH where he commented on his interest in toxic waste. Apparently, someone from Toone, Tennessee sent him a letter about toxic waste in Toone. Al Gore held a hearing on that toxic waste problem, and this is what he said. He only alluded to the toxic waste at love canal in his speech.

This is what he actually said:
"I called for a congressional investigation and a hearing," Gore told the students. "I looked around the country for other sites like that. I found a little place in upstate New York called Love Canal. I had the first hearing on that issue - and Toone, Tennessee, that was the one that you didn't hear of. But that was the one that started it all."

Again, the real story here is the slanderous lengths that the GOP will go to win elections.

 

I hate it when that happens. One thing I found is you can type your response in a word processing program, one that has the undue key. This way you can get what you write back.

No. I've boycotted Walmart for the last 5 years. The list as to why everyone should do this is a mile long.

Walmart has contracts with countries in China. And supposedly they have good worker protection laws in those plants. But this is not true. China is a closed country, so it's hard to be sure, but Walmart only visits those factories after China has been given 2 weeks notice. Plenty of time to fix things up.

No, you do not do this. The USA is the worlds biggest customer. When we export "free trade" laws, we can also insist on real employee protection laws, with real oversight. We chose not to. If progressives were in charge, maybe we would have.