Featured 25% tariffs on all foreign vehicles coming in April

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by Gokhan, Feb 18, 2025.

  1. Trollbait

    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    Really. How about showing what was wrong in the message instead of attacking the messenger, instead of throwing up a diversion that attacks the UAW. Did the union make Ford, GM, Toyota, etc. build supply chains into Canada and Mexico? Or was it because the US signed trade agreements with those countries?

    Back to @austingreen point, will any auto company be able to shift their supply lines to avoid the tariff in a month?
     
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    All I know is that I'm pissed at the massive fraud, waste, and abuse DOGE is finding in the government...MASSIVE. Elon said he knew it would be bad but even he was shocked by how much they are finding.

    $8 Million to fund a studies on transgender mice??

    Yes, Biden Spent Millions on Transgender Animal Experiments – The White House

    I worked my butt off last year but have a wonderful job. After deductions, I, still had to pay $20,000 for Federal Tax. So 100% of my and 399 other similar working Americans were needed to fund these insane "projects" (And probably ripe with kickbacks to politicians who, magically, are worth tens, even hundreds of millions of dollars after being in office just a few years.)

    We are over 20-years overdue for some reckoning in DC....cut the fat, eliminate waste, FIRE non-essential folks sitting at home collecting paychecks.

    There's no such thing as "government funded"....every penny is taken from hard-working in Americans. We PAY $1 Trillion in interest just on our ginormous national debt....my calculator doesn't have enough zeros to figure out how many of us it takes just to pay that in a year.....a whole bunch of us!
     
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    Look at this one:

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    That's just like saying if I join a bowling club or a church, why, everything the club or church does is funded by the members. Yes, that's kind of the idea.

    It's true that a country is a little different because at least some members got membership at birth rather than choosing to join. But nobody says you have to keep it.
     
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    All in the name of virtue signaling. "Look at meeee ... how inclusive & equitable am i"
    Then a ton of dough goes to NGO's - that in turn sponsor tons of continents moving people to South America & fund the walk up to the non-existent Border. LOL.
    Doesn't mean i didn't go to a baptism at a church a few blocks away where those families .... 0% speak English & have been here just a few weeks don't have needs - despite their criminal status and the shenanigans that brought them here.
     
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    Huh what data supports your argument. Do you think the american UAW Would want fewer US auto jobs. They want to unionize other plants. Ford built the first US owned auto plant in mexico in 1925. Toyota built its first plant in USMCA countries (Canada) in 1988. Both long before NAFTA. My dad worked for an auto supplier some of their plants are Union because some of their customers wanted it that way. Most are not. The suppliers will change based on what the manufacturer demands. Not sure why you think the UAW moved the plants, or that they will not be hurt by the tarrif just as the american consumer is.

    It was that plus regality uncertainty. I think you are getting me wrong. I now own a vehicle that has the most US content, and it was assembed less than 10 miles from my house with non union labor. Then again a lot of people can't afford my car, and few now want to buy them because of the CEO of the company. I have no love for the UAW, but we should not scapegoat them for problems that the current administration is causing.

    So yes I have a political bias toward free trade and against governmental medaling. This tarrif if it goes in affect in a month will hurt toyota in north america, but hey they can ship cars from japan with lower taxes. It just doesn't make any sense. The first excuse was drugs coming over the canadian border, witch was claimed a crisis. That was utterly false. Now the claim is that canada took advantage of the US in the trade negotiation. Remember the same guys that did tarrifs before negotiated the treaty. Now they want a do over, but more radical with higher taxes to us consumers and bigger retribution to american exporters. Why would you want this.
     
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    I have no beef with you personally, I enjoy your post and believe you may have liked some of mine.

    We are both Americans and I think we both want what is best for America.

    I worked in the Automotive Industry and know firsthand how Toyota handled parts supply.
    Hope that doesn't come off as a know it all - if it did, I apologize.
    My experience leads me to believe (rightly or wrongly) that some Auto Makers will have a distinct advantage under the current circumstances and that was my motive for posting. A large part of my post was dedicated to explain why some have advantages over the others.

    In a competitive business like Automotive Manufacturing the circumstances are changing daily even in the best of times.
    The really good Manufacturers know that and prepare for those events and current seismic changes like the current ones.

    Are Tariffs good - how would I know? I guess we will find out.

    I worry some post here out of their own Political Biases and then try to work backwards to justify how they feel. In some cases, just because they don't like a person or political party.

    It seems your concerns are justified by careful reasoning, and you may have come to a different conclusion than me.

    I can respect that.

    I hope that you can understand another person can look at the same facts as you and come away with completely different conclusions.
     
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    Okay, so how do you reconcile that with your previous statement?
     
  9. John321

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    Easy peasy.

    In Japan I witnessed first hand how the Unions in Japan cooperated with the Employees and Company to make both of their circumstances better. It is a cooperative environment where the Company encourages the Union, and the Union encourages/empowers the Employees to do their best for the Company. A relationship that benefits both parties.

    In America I have worked for the, International Brotherhood of Rubber Workers for 5 years, AFL-CIO Teamsters Union for 10 years and was sent by Toyota to assist the Nummi Factory in California working with the Nummi UAW and Toyota employees.
    I witnessed the Teamsters Union get taken over by the US Government because of the rampant corruption and then eventually decertified by the employees of the Company we worked at because of how worthless they were.
    My introduction to the Internation Brotherhood of Rubber Workers was a quick tutorial by my fellow Union members on where the best hiding places where and how to avoid work. I didn't participate and did do what I was assigned.
    My exposure to the UAW was the combative relationship between Management and the Employees with Union Stewards being the arbitrators. The actual Toyota Employees were a joy to work with and dedicated to doing a good job.
    I could go in to how we would go to get a Union Steward for arbitrations and would have to visit 2 or 3 to finally find one sober enough to participate in an arbitration meeting but I have already gone on too much.