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2024 hurricanes

Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by tochatihu, Apr 4, 2024.

  1. bwilson4web

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    Given the storm rotation, there will be an increased risk to Kennedy Space Flight Center. Shutting down Kennedy would be another bad thing. Not every launch provider and mission can be switched to Vandenberg. Vandenberg has been a 'step child' facility for too long.

    Spaceport near Brownsville TX is in relatively good shape. Storms are mitigated by Mexico and the Gulf of Mexico provides tolerable impact zones. Install some Falcon 9 launch facilities and voila, let the competition use and rent space at Kennedy and Wallops. Heck, even Elon might tap the available immigrant labor pool.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    LOL:
    • "fake news" - cited as a source. Eventually "fake news" will universally be read as "true and accurate news." So there aren't any gasoline trucks headed to Florida gas stations?
    • "portable charging stations" - are to fill gaps in thin charging networks. But my trips last year to Florida in the Tesla and later return in the BMW i3-REx showed: (1) Tesla no problem, and (2) BMW i3-REx used gas as that is how it rolls on long distance trips. Now that SuperCharging is more or less open to CCS-1 vehicles, less bad than what I saw last year.
    • Just don't say "Global Warming" or "Climate Change" or wear a face mask in his presence or work in Florida State government.
     
  3. tochatihu

    tochatihu Senior Member

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    Anticipating Milton reaching coast as category 2 is not realistic. It passed trough Cat 2 before rapid intensification began. And we do mean rapid
    2024 Milton so far.png
     
  4. Leadfoot J. McCoalroller

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    Lots of Naples is above 10' elevation, and they're <so far> only calling for a 4-7' surge there.

    (of note, Tampa Hybrids is 49' above sea level)
     
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    Florida law requires all gas stations to be prewired for generator power.
    I do believe a certain amount of stations along routes and determined to be critical are required to have generator power.
    People with gassers shouldn't have any concerns

    In the Know: Are all gas stations required to have backup generators? (naplesnews.com)
    "Florida gas stations issued a certificate of occupancy after July 1, 2006, must be prewired with a transfer switch to enable emergency power after a prolonged power outage"

    Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine (state.fl.us)
    Each motor fuel retail outlet described in subparagraph 1., subparagraph 2., or subparagraph 3., which is located within one-half mile proximate to an interstate highway or state or federally designated evacuation route must be prewired with an appropriate transfer switch and be capable of operating all fuel pumps, dispensing equipment, lifesafety systems, and payment-acceptance equipment using an alternate generated power source


    Each corporation or other entity that owns 10 or more motor fuel retail outlets located within a single county shall maintain at least one portable generator that is capable of providing an alternate generated power source as required under subsection (2) for every 10 outlets. If an entity owns more than 10 outlets or a multiple of 10 outlets plus an additional 6 outlets, the entity must provide one additional generator to accommodate such additional outlets. Each portable generator must be stored within this state, or may be stored in another state if located within 250 miles of this state, and must be available for use in an affected location within 24 hours after a disaster
     
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    Ah rats, already updated to 6-10'.

    Naples is not going to be a good place to be, during or after Wednesday.
     
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    Are you reading the forecast discussions out of NWS Miami? Milton will move into less favorable conditions Tuesday & Wednesday and the current strength is not expected to continue through the next 36 - 48 hours. Things could change of course but dry air entrainment and significant wind shear are factors behind the NWS prediction of Cat 2/3 at landfall. Milton will be a strong hurricane at landfall but probably not as strong as the intensity today.
     
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    Milton may peak at current intensity then steadily weaken through 48 hours.

    4 PM update from NWS Miami - Milton could strengthen even more tonight with light shear and
    very warm waters providing a conducive environment. However, radar
    data indicate that Milton could be at the beginning of an eyewall
    replacement cycle, with some signs of a moat and a partial outer
    eyewall. The evolution will likely cause the system to gradually
    weaken on Tuesday but grow larger. On Wednesday, Milton is expected
    to encounter a less favorable environment with strong shear and dry
    air entrainment, with further weakening forecast. Regardless, the
    system is expected to be a large and powerful hurricane at landfall
    in Florida, with life-threatening hazards at the coastline and well
    inland. Residents in Florida should closely follow the orders from
    their local emergency management officials, as Milton has the
    potential to be one of the most destructive hurricanes on record
    for west-central Florida.
     
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    i just a model showing a hard right over central florida and continuing east
     
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    Central pressure of 897 mb? Wowser!


    "The central pressure in the eye of Hurricane Milton has fallen to a near-record low of 897 millibars, making it the fifth-strongest hurricane observed in the Atlantic basin.

    1️⃣ Wilma (2005): 882 mb
    2️⃣ Gilbert (1988): 888 mb
    3️⃣ "Labor Day" Hurricane (1935): 892 mb
    4️⃣ Rita (2005): 895 mb
    5️⃣ Milton (2024): 897 mb"
     
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    "Are you reading the forecast discussions out of NWS Miami?" Yes. Also shear and shear tendency from CIMSS analyses. H. Milton is moving towards more wind shear, but not massively more. Also it has yet to benefit from the highest heat content patch of Gulf of Mexico.

    Yes I know people are hoping for for wind shear to save the day. Eyewall replacement cycles spread energy over a wider area, they don't make it 'go away'.

    Will exit FL as cat 2, after having lost energy to friction, Friction with trees, boats, buildings, things like that.
     
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    Milton's top-of-troposphere super-cold cloud area (satellite view) now resembles the (likely) Chicxulub impact crater of long ago. This has nothing to do with week's coming adventures, but mentioned because no seen storm has had such conceit.
     
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    "Western shores of the Yucatan peninsula is getting hammered." Make that Northern please. YP lacks western shores :)
     
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    I misunderstood the weather map:
    upload_2024-10-7_22-58-11.png

    Campeche is being (or been) hammered:
    upload_2024-10-7_23-7-18.png

    Bob Wilson
     
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    I am taught that Campeche area is YP western coast. Always learning. This seems to be as sheltered as possible in hurricane latitudes. I should visit.
     
  19. ETC(SS)

    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    Time will tell.

    At present the spaghetti says a landfall slightly south of Tampa as a Cat-3, but sheer and ERC get to vote too....both ways.
    Intensity forecasting makes fools of us all - but one advantage of this storm's rapid intensification is that Tampa/St Pete will take notice and, hopefully, its would-be victims will prepare, prepare, prepare.
    One disadvantage is that people WILL take time off of work, dig into their savings, and do all of the 10,000 things to get ready to evacuate - for...what?
    - a strong Cat-2 in Sarasota?
    - a strong Cat-5 in Clearwater?

    Whattaya do?
    HOPE for a stronger or weaker storm to prove that 'you were right?'
    Hope is not a plan - but it is also not 'unreasonable' given the current data set.
    You ALWAYS hope for the best but plan for the worst.
     
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    So how low did a boat (correct term?) have to go to avoid high wave effects?

    Speculation, there should be a depth that the water pressure should be pretty much the average of sea level ... the surface waves would not be detectable by the boat pressure sensors.

    Bob Wilson