2023 Prime ?

If they can shove a 54 kWh battery in a UX (the UX 300e) which is 4495mm (177 inches) long (about 150mm (5.9 inches) shorter than the Prius Prime) with a wheelbase of 2640mm (103.9 inches - about 110mm (4.4 inches) shorter than the Prius Prime) they should be able to slide a nice size battery in there along with a gas tank.

 

maybe, but idk if there's any correlation to a car with no engine

 

A PHEV with front engine will need space for the exhaust system. The Rav4 Prime does it with a 18+kWh pack. Getting a pack in the next Prius Prime large enough for 50 miles of range shouldn't be difficult.

 

if they're rated 8.8kw and get 25 miles, they're gonna need at least 15 or 16 i would think. how are they getting 50 out of the rav4 with 18kw?
and even if they can fit it without impacting hatch space, it won't come cheap

 

Depends on who supplies the battery.

16kwhr batteries are much smaller and cheaper today than 2010.

Done correctly 16kwhr of 2022+ batteries weigh less than 8kwhr did in 2010

 

no doubt, but prime is 2016, and it's ginormous

 

Part of that is empty space for the air cooling channels. Toyota moved to more active cooling in the Rav4p. That reduces the empty cooling space. It probably also reduces cell costs by not needing heat tolerant chemistries. Toyota likely isn't going to use a 2016 tech battery.

 

no, but the rav4 isn't 30 grand

 

The plain old hybrid version is, and the SE is $32,230. Which has the Prime at $8000 higher. Part of the price difference is simply because Toyota could charge more for a high performance SUV.

The 2022 Prius Prime started at $28,770. The cost of being a plug in is already included, and it doesn't need a higher output motor like the Rav4p. A 50 mile range model could be done for under $33k.

Toyota choosing to do it will likely come down to their supply of batteries. They might them more for BEVs. Then again, the PP might need longer EV range to count as an EV for California credits.

 

2023 Prius should be available in US dealers in January.

What is not known is when a Prius Prime will be available again if ever. Will there be a 2023 Prius Prime, a 2024 Prius Prime, or none whatsoever? 2022 Prius Prime will disappear from the dealers shortly, as the production has stopped.

 

carb credits are the only reason they would increase the range. heck, they're the only reason toyota made a prime

 

And now the fed rebate is crashing down as well unless they realign assembly locations and some sourcing decisions

 

wow, i didn't realize that. how much work is involved?

 

Unfortunately for Toyota and PP, the fed struck down is lead us to Tesla and even back to ICE...
I am in Cal. and the electrical system drama that our politician create are (IMO) send us scrambling for other option.

I am keeping my 20 PP, and my BEV, but the next one may as well be a ICE .

 

I include hybrids with ICE. Great that hybrids use less fuel, but they are still tied to using only a fossil fuel like all ICE cars. Then some hybrids don't get a big improvement to fuel economy. So for policy talks about plug ins, distinguishing between ICE types isn't really needed. If it is, then it also should include diesels, CNG, etc. Simplier would be to have a fuel economy or CO2 emission limit if you want to leave an ICE option along side a push for EVs.

Well, if Toyota had moved some Prius production to the US like originally planned, not much.

Since the Rav4 is assembled in NA, moving its Prime production shouldn't be too difficult.

 

Are the people looking at ICEs, not looking at hybrids? Most of the hybrids available now are just an engine option to an ICE model. If it is an option for a model considered, I think most people will look at it these days.

In the case of a person needing a car soon, the efficient hybrids were as scarce as EVs with the high fuel prices.