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2018 Atlantic hurricane season

Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by tochatihu, Apr 5, 2018.

  1. bisco

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    and i was hoping for a nice relaxing autumn. as it is, we've gone from mid 90's drought to 50's and rainy for the next week.
     
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    Could be worse. For those in evacuation areas, it already is.

    At times like this, I think about dams built of less study stuff than concrete + rebar.
     
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    i realize why i don't live in coastal nc, or flood prone areas.
     
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    If you see a footprint of a tiger (or T. rex), you will realize the area is not safe. Humans 'realize' effectively from observations at their scales of time and space.

    If you see a landscape like this:

    NCbarrierislandsmap.png

    You are much less likely to realize the area is not safe. It is extremely unusual and yet time-and space-scale of dangers evades general notice. For >99% of time it is lovely, but otherwise will eat you up. Invisible only because of limitations of seeing.
     
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    the benefits of modern communication
     
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    Hotspot for geology field trips (when weather is favorable). Modern technology of ground-penetrating radar much expands their seeing.

    Modern communication has told about 1.3 million people to go far away.

    Cape Hatteras and its lighthouse on wheels:

    Cape Hatteras Lighthouse - Wikipedia
     
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    So much for the coal ash ponds.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    I was quietly including such structures with earthen dams, in context of hydrologic extremes. Perhaps they are too different for that. Anyway, get rain (qpf7) forecast here:

    WPC 5- and 7-Day Total Quantitative Precipitation Forecasts

    and map of coal ash ponds somewhere else and see what leaks ( :) ) out.

    In any case, big rain seems assured at this point. More than half of NC and VA with more than 7 inches. Much work for river channels. Storm surge seems very large this time. Twelve hours ago some models had stall near coast, which would be bad rain news. Like Texas' Harvey. Has gone away in newest models.

    For winds we can note that NC and VA are gently sloped a long way inland. Until Appalachian Mtns. This allows big winds to go as far as possible until friction eats them. If forced to put a number on that I'd meekly say 50 miles. Important to note that 'friction' here includes damaging buildings, taking down trees and structural poles, and other things that cost money.

    Outlook is not cheerful.

    FEMA gets another chance at bat.

    Navy has emptied Norfolk of ships to a large extent, so I understand.
     
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    but getting older
     
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    and yet, here we are
     
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    there's a first for everything
     
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    While most Atlantic hurricanes follow 'climatology' (as things have gone before), a few follow apparently novel paths. Florence is most recent of those. If nothing else it suggests that predictions based on climatology will sometimes fail.

    Further emphasizes value of how things are now done. Steering currents, shear and ocean heat content patterns. Big 3 unless I'm wrong.
     
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    Unfortunately Florence is presently only #2 global hurricane. Mangkhut is bigger and stronger. It will say hello to northernmost Philippine Islands. Then weaken over cooler water before Hong Kong.
     
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    Water vapor (temperature) colors by NHC

    Flo and Mang.png
     
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    Surf''s up. Like 10 meters up. If no surfers become crab food this time, it might be a first.

    NWW3 Product Viewer
     
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    A local weather guy's blog Monday indicated that (at that time, stale now) the NWS's current but outgoing global model, GFS, and new model incoming model, FV-3, were showing very different forecasts for Florence's strength. The new model tracks slightly south of the old model, but with much weaker central pressure and weaker winds.

    Though by now, the forecasts ought to be converging.

    I hope that forecast errors don't turn into political levers later this week.

    GFS will apparently remain the U.S. standard model through this year, to be replaced with FV-3 early next year.
    Cliff Mass Weather and Climate Blog: Hurricane Florence: The Old Versus the New U.S. Global Weather Forecasting Model
     
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    Reminds me of this:
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    i am now very happy that we took down the 70 year old 60 foot norway maple next to our house.
     
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    Still got one of those up.
    Found earthworms 30ft up inside the one taken down.
     
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    mine was riddled. strangely, the trunk base was rock solid and about 8 feet on the long oval 6" underground.

    but i was more concerned about big limbs, (had an 8 incher snap off last year) there was a lot of ant damage. woodpecker misses it.:unsure: