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2012 Camry Hybrid Offset Steering Wheel Oddity

Discussion in 'Toyota Hybrids and EVs' started by cycledrum, Jan 20, 2013.

  1. bisco

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    wow, is that a trick of the camera angle?
     
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    For the love of god, REALLY!? If you don't like don't buy it. Bunch of ...... YEESH. Oh NOES!!!! The steering wheel is off by half an inch! It's a total cluster ****!!!!!!!! Notice it and move on to something else.
     
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    I wish my life were so under control and perfect that I could get worked up about something like a steering wheel being 1/2 inch off to the side.:D
     
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    Oh yeah? How 'bout you take a good whiff of these two photos. You'd put up with this junk two inch offset to the right wheel placement? Wanna see 4th Gen Prius laid out like this in 2 1/2 years, then we're stuck with that for 6 more years?

    btw, this is not about showcasing Honda below, it's about calling out Toyota. No camera angle tricks here, shot straight on.

    2012 Camry Hybrid XLE

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    2013 Accord EX-L
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    I think this type of offset happens more often than you realize. The only vehicle that I recall that was so bad that I immediately noticed was the YJ Jeep Wrangler (the one with the square headlights)

    Jeep Wrangler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    For most people, it is no big deal, for those with OCD its tragic. ;)
     
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    I had a Renault R8 that the drivers position was so far of center of the steering wheel it was obvious that the driver wasn't aligned with the road. Took about 5 minutes to adjust to it and get on with my life.
     
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    You want to compare America's top selling car with a Jeep Wrangler?

    btw, It's not tragic; I don't own a 7th generation Camry and wouldn't consider it nor recommend it to anyone. And I'm guessing the typical Camry buyer is not much into an enjoyable twisty backroad drive in their car, just getting from point A to B. No wonder C&D typically gags on Camry but gives the nod to Accord.
     
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    Not a comparison, just an example of another vehicle with this malady. I'm not planning to purchase either one.

    Just another thought - just because Toyota made this design choice on the Camry (clearly a tradeoff, because they would normally put it in the preferred symmetical position) doesn't lead me to the conclusion that they will make this tradeoff with all of their vehicle platforms in the future.

    Maybe the steering wheel is in the correct location, but the seat is misplaced? :D
     
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    Why are you worrying about something that may or may not happen? Also, is it only the Camry Hybrid? Did you check the regular version?

    Ever hear the saying making a mountain out of a mole hill? LOL
     
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    Yes, the interior is same in all Camrys L, LE, XLE, Hybrid ...

    and it is not a 1/2" offset, the right edge is offset two inches (2")

    Why would you take whatever comes from Toyota in blind faith and not question it?

    I suppose it's within industry specs, but I don't like it one bit. This is the new trend, to sit in one place and have hands shifted 2" right? The Honda wheel is exactly centered per vertical lines.

    A tradeoff? For what, some component in the dashboard? 'Let's take one of the three most important controls (that has an explosive airbag in it) and shove it two inches right'.
     
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    Hard to say without actually knowing what constraints the designer had. Might be necessary for steering linkage to clear another component. Might be necessary to use common steering parts (e.g. the rack) on other models. Might be a financial decision. I'm sure they had a reason. Every design is a series of decisions and compromises.
     
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    Or maybe some planned obsolesence thrown in to boot.
     
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    Jan 24, 2013 Case# : 130124xxxx

    Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc.
    19001 South Western Ave.
    Dept. WC11
    Torrance, CA90501

    xxxxx
    Union City, CA94587

    To whom it may concern in Toyota product or technical support:

    I’m a long-time Toyota owner, four in all, and currently drive a 2011 Prius. I went looking at a 2012 Camry XLE and found something I didn’t like: Steering wheel laterally offset about two inches right of the driver’s seat (see photograph. Btw, this is not ‘Photoshopped’)
    This situation is the same in all 7th generation Camry models, L, LE, XLE, hybrid. I like my steering wheels well centered in front of my driver’s seat. Maybe a fraction of inch off is ok, but two inches? Too much!

    This two inch steering wheel offset would be a ‘deal breaker’ for me; I would not buy a car with this. Don’t want my arms skewed to the right, or left.

    I’m concerned about other interior design details. I’ve noticed Camry driver’s seat, power or mechanical, does not lower nearly as much as Accord driver’s seat, causing lack of extra headroom, at least for me (I have good headroom even in Prius).

    I’ve noticed 2010 model year and later Prius gained the telescopic steering wheel feature, but it is not mounted in the car to come out nearly far enough to the tallest drivers. This is also noted by Edmunds.com and Consumer Reports in their reviews. There is plenty of driver’s seat travel in the new liftback Prius, but the steering wheel doesn’t pull out to accommodate that travel.

    I still like Toyota but am concerned. As other brands are coming out with new hybrid cars, I’m looking at them too. Toyota still makes the best hybrids, now please make the best interiors with great attention to details.

    Sincerely,

    xxxx
     
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    Camry is not along in this steering wheel offset thing: Ford C-Max has it too, offset to the right. In my letter I mentioned Prius steering wheel not coming nearly close enough... scoot a C-Max driver's seat all the way back, pull steering wheel out, the wheel is still in the next county.
     
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    For those who haven't been around here long enough, cycledrum's a tall guy and had complained bitterly about the Gen 2 Prius' seat being terrible from a comfort POV due to his height and/or body proportions to the point where installed a Corolla seat (which has a height adjust that then US Gen 2 didn't). I'm not nearly as tall as him so I have no issue w/it, but it's something to keep in mind.

    I doubt I'd have any trouble w/the Camry's headroom even w/a sunroof.
     
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    A guy named Luis from Toyota corporate just called to follow up on my letter above. He said they are forwarding the information and asked for any other input. He was very courteous.

    The offset is subtle and it's not like the Camry is only car with it. C-Max hybrid has steering wheel offset that's probably worse. I don't like it, wouldn't buy a car with it, but to each his own.
     
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    I do get the feeling the customer is second fiddle with Toyota, regarding dash ergonomics. My first impression was sitting in a showroom Echo: did not like the dash, with it's centred (on the car, not the driver's seat) instrument cluster.

    D.O. with our Prius, while on the whole I really like the car, I'm not crazy about the dash, seems designed by uncaring nerds. And maybe trying to provide one compromise solution for left hand / right hand drive models?

    Beside having to divert your eyes to the right, away from line of travel, in bright sunlight with wet road bouncing back the light it's near impossible to read.

    And oh heah: temperature gauge? Tachometer? Most any econobox on the road has these.

    Rant, rant, rant, LOL.
     
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    Test drove a 2012 Camry last night, didnt really notice any issues with the steering wheel, felt fine driving it.
     
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    Part of the reason why the car sells in such high numbers.