2003 Prius Won't Start after HV Battery Replacement

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  1. jmotley

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    Where did you get the bus-bar? Also, the car would run before I replaced the single cell with lower voltage, now it won't even attempt to start.
     
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    Oh my gosh.... could leaving the bus-bar unplugged on one side cause my problem?

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    Oh yes, but I would still change the front bus bar so you will not have future issues and clean that rear bus bar

    I used a wire wheel on the copper tabs and soaked the nuts in electronics parts spray in a cup. Tabs just pop out

    Point is to get rid of all green patina

    You can get it on eBay or dealer
     
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    Alright thanks for the advice and help! I can't believe I left that unplugged, I'm going to try cleaning both sides of the bus-bars as best as I can and reassembling first to see if it will run.
     
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    Just be very careful of those sensors, they are ridiculously thin and brittle

    Try to get some contact cleaner down the wires if you are going to try to clean the front bus bars

    Please remove bus bars to clean and take this opportunity to static test those supposed dead cells, I bet they are fine
     
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    For the heck of it, hand measure the voltages on every module of the first 5 blocks.
    Just want to be sure there is not a short in one of the first few modules

    Then buss bar and connections for #3 should be inspected and cleaned.

    You see how in your techstream reading it reads the first few Blocks
    Block 1 = 15.30v (module 1, module 2)
    Block 2= 15.37v (module 3, module 4)

    But then the next block is only like half the voltage of a normal block
    Block 3 = 8.37v (should be module 5 and module 6)

    And then the readings drop off to nothing, basically. (under a volt)

    So it's like the power can't get through after Block 3 (module 5).

    edit: And if it were me, I would replace the wire looms for both sides. The money spent would be worth the peace of mind of knowing all the wires and connections were free from corrosion.
     
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    Remember use BRASS wire wheel Steel will eat the copper tabs. Use Eye protection and gloves.
     
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    Put the battery back in and the car runs now, but I drove it around some yesterday and today and some more check engine codes showed up. P3009 and P1455. Checked my gas cap, not sure what to check for P3009 unless my cleaning wasn't good enough and left some buildup that is causing continuity or leaking voltage.

    Found this:
    Toyota Hybrids P3009: High Voltage Leak Detected, internal to battery - Luscious Garage | Hybrid Specialists

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    I fear you may have damaged a module or two due to initial over torquing the terminals. Man, that sucks.
     
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    P1455 is the least of your worries.

    Let's start with the hybrid battery.....
    Easy to see block 13 is a problem child.
    14.37v when others are above 15v :-(

    Next the p3009
    Click the "snowflake" next to the p3009 code and show us screenshots from that code.
    Code be you have a transaxle high voltage leak, not a hybrid battery leak.
    As others have written before me....ground fault could be at any system in contact with high voltage: traction battery, traction battery ECU, battery cable to inverter, inverter, transaxle, etc
     
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    I drove the car around some more after cleaning the terminals and bus-bars and it was fine yesterday for an entire day of driving. Strangely, today I got a code showing that Battery Block 11 had low voltage and the Hybrid error light came on ("car + !") light. In those pictures with my HV battery block voltages pictured is it possible that I would have to replace each set of batteries under 15V, or is it also possible that the bus-bars are damaged and the batteries aren't reading correct Voltage?
     
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    It probably not the buss bars, it is the wiring/ring terminals.
    I bet you could aggressively probe them and figure out the bad one(s).
    It's likely corrosion crept down the wiring itself.

    Replace the looms. You will get new wires and new buss bars.
     
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    What do you mean by aggressively probe them? Lol. I was thinking wiring too, because I checked the voltage of each battery with a multimeter when I was cleaning the terminals and bus-bars and all of them measured from 7.5 to 7.8 V. Would a loom include the entire assembly of the orange colored wires?
     
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    Probe with a firm, nonconductive stick for example. Move them around enough to confirm that there are not breaks in the wires.
    Yes. The loom is the entire assembly of the orange colored wires.
     
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    Key word NONCONDUCTIVE
     
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    Well I've done some more driving in the car without removing the HV Battery, and in cool weather it is fine and I never have a code come on from 10 minute drives to 1 hr to point B and 1 hour back to point A drives. I live in GA and the code only comes on when it is 90+ F during the day, my regular 12V battery is still weak. When I have time again I will pull the HV battery out but for now I want to make sure its not just the regular battery. Thanks for all of the help
     
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    Drive with the AC on, it will help pump cooled air into the HV battery.

    Open window will just add outside hot air to the intake vents. Oh yeah, make sure vents are not blocked in any way.
     
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    Leaving that plug undone is what caused all the low/zero readings.
     
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    This is absolutely horrendous. Your battery is so far out of balance, you will be fighting codes all the time. Best case, that's approximately a 15-20% imbalance. Considering that you only have 40% SoC range, you've lost 50% of your usable capacity due to imbalance.

    Individual module voltages should be less than 0.05V difference
     
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    My WIN and WOUT in techstream are also very close values, one is negative other is positive but both were around 20, not sure what they mean. Could the converter/inverter be bad?